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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: nimbusllama on January 27, 2015, 08:08:39 am

Title: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: nimbusllama on January 27, 2015, 08:08:39 am
I am hankering after one of these, but need to check if they are suitable for horned sheep (Castlemilk Moorits) ?


Many thanks
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: Foobar on January 27, 2015, 09:26:47 am
Yes i have one and I have used it for horned sheep.  Can't say I use it very often ... I think i've got it out of the cupboard just once or twice!!
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: Dogwalker on January 27, 2015, 12:48:01 pm
I've seen them used with angora goats with no problems.
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: beagh-suffolks on January 27, 2015, 01:04:59 pm
i made mine and we use it on variety of different breeds (anything from blackies to suffolks) ...i use mine all the time :)
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: Womble on January 27, 2015, 01:55:03 pm
That sounds great BS - any chance of some photos?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: beagh-suffolks on January 27, 2015, 09:21:40 pm
we made a small platform for ours too, just to save the back and ,teaches our show lambs to stand better, the headstock we have made a quick release system in case something happens.
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: nimbusllama on January 27, 2015, 10:50:05 pm
Very many thanks for all the helpful advice.... and your version looks fabulous BS... I will be on the look out for one!  :)
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: Bionic on January 28, 2015, 03:14:43 am
we made a small platform for ours too, just to save the back and ,teaches our show lambs to stand better, the headstock we have made a quick release system in case something happens.
Very good, it even enables them to stand on their heads  ;D
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: Womble on January 28, 2015, 11:11:23 am
Thanks for the pics!  :thumbsup:
 
I think I need to make up something similar for our big Zwartble tup, Ace.  He's a gentle boy, but hates having his feet done, and there's no way I can tip him.
 
The last time, I got Mrs Womble (lovely, slim, size 8, blow away in a wind Mrs Womble) to restrain Ace by hugging him around his neck whilst also holding onto a gate, whilst I nipped round the back to check him over.

Unfortunately, I'd left a scoop of coarse mix on top of a strainer post for afterwards, and just as I was finishing the first foot, it blew off the post, scattering tasty nibbles all over the place.
 
Needless to say, I was kicked in the balls whilst Mrs Womble was dragged off up the field, still hugging Ace. We still have no idea what his other three feet are like  :roflanim: .
 
 
 
Edit: What about one of these (http://www.ballinadee.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=91&vmcchk=1&Itemid=91) as an alternative option?:
 
(http://www.ballinadee.com/images/stories/calfstaller/vsig_images/IMG_8199a_384_452_90.jpg)
 
They're on sale for 225+VAT from Fane Valley (http://www.fanevalleystores.com/product/150258/Carolines-Calf-Sheep-Staller-Headstock) (By the way, I know that's not a sheep).
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: nimbusllama on May 08, 2015, 08:48:09 am
I have just ordered one of these for the bargain price of 62.49 as Ascott have got these on sale.  :excited:


http://www.ascott-dairy.co.uk/shepherds-mate-portable-head-gate/ (http://www.ascott-dairy.co.uk/shepherds-mate-portable-head-gate/)
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: daveh on May 08, 2015, 09:25:39 am
A cheap alternative is to use either a loop of rope or an old fan belt. Attach this to any railed enclosure or a post and pop the sheep's head through. I use this method to restrain both my Castlemilk Moorits (very flexible active sheep) and my Cotswolds (huge, heavy and very strong sheep).

Regards, Dave
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: harmony on May 08, 2015, 11:23:47 am
I use an old stirrup leather which of course has holes already punched through.
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: Bionic on May 08, 2015, 11:25:04 am
We use bailer plaited bailer twine made into a loop
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: ScotsGirl on May 08, 2015, 01:35:24 pm
Can one of you who uses alternatives (ie stirrup leathers or rope) post a photo also? I can't quite visualise how it's attached? Me t question is how to get the big brute in position to attach?! This would be idea, for my billy goat but he digs his heels in and I can't budge him.
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: harmony on May 08, 2015, 03:06:12 pm
I catch my sheep, fasten the stirrup leather around it's neck. Move it to where I won't to secure it. Hold against gate. Unfasten leather slip round cross bar on gate so gate and sheep within the loop and tighten up.


Could you feed "your brute" by a gate then you haven't so far to go to get him secure?


I haven't done this but I guess you can hang a haynet on the gate as well to keep them occupied whilst you do feet etc.


Thinking about a sheep crush my friend made - the sheep or goat once in the frame is held by two upright metal bars that it's head goes through and it fastens on the neck - like some goat milking stands. The bars are on a pivot, have chains at the top which fasten over the ends of the frame at the front so you can accommodate different sizes. You could do this on a post and rail fence or adapt a gate. You just need a hole to put the head through and the two bars and something to fasten to.


The bars when open make a V and when closed to hold the sheep close together. They are on separate pivots slightly apart.


We borrowed it when we needed a ewe to take a lamb and it sits on the ground and the sheep stands on a board so it can't move the frame. For doing other jobs like feet you don't need the frame just the head holding idea.


Hope that made sense!?!?
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: Fleecewife on May 08, 2015, 04:56:46 pm


And there was me wondering why this wasn't in the recipe section  :thinking:


Me t question is how to get the big brute in position to attach?! This would be idea, for my billy goat but he digs his heels in and I can't budge him.

I don't know the first thing about goats, but I can move a fairly whopping sheep by shoving it backwards. They seem to think they're achieving something if they're in reverse  :sheep:
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: nimbusllama on May 09, 2015, 01:09:08 am
Many thanks for all the suggestions ..... I have done the rope to a hurdle in the past but recently dagged my Castlemilk ram with him tied with a halter (he is halter trained) and also with a rope around his horn, and he ended up lame with a split bleeding hoof and a big knee from thrashing about and trying to climb over or under the hurdle!  Hence my purchase.... :thumbsup:
The main reason I posted this link to the Ascott version of a headstock is that I wanted to share the special offer in case anyone was looking for one.... The special offer price is 57.50 plus 4.99 postage and the normal price is 82.50 (this is by far the cheapest make I could find as some are as much as 150).  I have seen secondhand ones make 60 on Ebay and they still have to be collected!
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: ewesaidit on May 09, 2015, 05:51:25 pm
 :wave: nimbusllama - big THANK YOU for the tip off re the Ascott Dairy headstock - just ordered one via the link you posted - great price - been thinking about getting one for ages  :excited:

Womble  :roflanim: thanks for the laugh - reminded me of one time when I was pottering about and one of my big Zwartbles ewes shoved her head between my legs (I was leaning forward at the time) and before I knew it I was getting carted off backwards lol (wasn't flippin funny at the time tho!!)

Rarely need to do anything to feet but usually check all before tupping - mine are tied up tight with a halter (they're all halter trained) and then have their feet lifted up like a pony.  Most are really easy about it but I've got one (100kg plus ewe) that panics and goes nuts (have never caused her any pain!)  Hopefully in a headstock next time she won't be able to a) kneel down or b) fling her backside about 4ft high in the air?
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: nimbusllama on May 09, 2015, 10:54:21 pm
Glad my post has been useful...  :)
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock
Post by: Big Light on May 10, 2015, 04:19:21 pm
Me too Nimbusllama thanks well cheaper than i have ever seen  - even second hand
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: Big Light on May 19, 2015, 07:43:38 pm
Ewesaidit and nimbus llama just checking - did you get any rope on your head stocks as per the photo? - as i didn't - queried it and they apologised saying the rope was not included it was just used to show how to use the product - seems very bizarre
cheers
BL
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: Daisys Mum on May 19, 2015, 08:56:27 pm
Ewesaidit and nimbus llama just checking - did you get any rope on your head stocks as per the photo? - as i didn't - queried it and they apologised saying the rope was not included it was just used to show how to use the product - seems very bizarre
cheers
BL



I was wondering about that too as mine came without rope too
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: nimbusllama on May 19, 2015, 10:43:53 pm
No I had the same conversation with them, they said it was just for illustration.... I already had some suitable rope, but agree it is misleading...however I am still happy with my purchase although I had to make a hole in the ground to get it low enough for my small sheep.  It will still be very useful and is good value.  :)
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: Big Light on May 20, 2015, 05:26:34 am
 Yeh still happy too qualities good and seems sturdy but just seems bizarre that they would give you something that doesn't actually work without the string
cheers for the replies
BL
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: nimbusllama on May 20, 2015, 08:09:01 am
If anyone is struggling to find suitable rope, I have a ball that I bought to make some everyday sheep halters, so have more than I need.  If you PM me your address I will happily post you enough to use on the headstock... FOC of course.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: nimbusllama on May 21, 2015, 10:35:23 pm
Ewesaidit and Big Light the ropes were posted first class today.... there should be enough to make a loop at one end and then thread it through the eyelet and back through itself.  Hope it does the job for you both.
Brian
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: Big Light on May 21, 2015, 11:03:51 pm
thanks
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: ewesaidit on May 22, 2015, 11:52:02 am
Great, thanks  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: Big Light on May 22, 2015, 01:11:11 pm
Arrived today thank you again Brian
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: ewesaidit on May 22, 2015, 03:07:01 pm
Lovin the rope Brian - very snazzy!   Will look fab against a zwartbles head     Many thanks again
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: nimbusllama on May 23, 2015, 08:08:15 am
Excellent  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: Kimbo on May 24, 2015, 06:06:31 pm
Brian you sound like a lovely chap!
Title: Re: Sheep Head Stock see bargain special offer!
Post by: nimbusllama on May 24, 2015, 11:12:17 pm
What a kind thing to say!... thank you  :-[