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Livestock => Sheep => Topic started by: suziequeue on April 07, 2014, 12:27:48 pm

Title: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: suziequeue on April 07, 2014, 12:27:48 pm
Following on from our experience last/this year, we are thinking about making one of our current crop of  ram lambs into a teaser ram in order to shorten our lambing period and get the girls receptive to the ram when the time comes.

We have a ram lamb who has a short tail so he's definitely not going to be a breeder. We've got plenty of lamb in the freezer.

When is the best age for him to have his tubes tied??
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: Me on April 07, 2014, 12:51:35 pm
I've done young-old (4-5 month lambs-rams) and all seemed to work just fine
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: shep53 on April 07, 2014, 12:52:24 pm
Depends on how well grown and how the testes develop but can be done from 3months of age but must be done 4-6wks before intended use, and you may have problems keeping flys off in the summer .    Personally I  vasectomise in jan when about 8 mths of age ready to use as a shearling . :farmer:
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: mowhaugh on April 07, 2014, 01:05:16 pm
Depends on how well grown and how the testes develop but can be done from 3months of age but must be done 4-6wks before intended use, and you may have problems keeping flys off in the summer .    Personally I  vasectomise in jan when about 8 mths of age ready to use as a shearling . :farmer:

Same here.
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: suziequeue on April 07, 2014, 01:40:19 pm
January it is then :-)

Gives us a chance to have a practice run this autumn with a hired/borrowed teaser ram and then make the commitment to having our own for next  autumn.
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: farmvet on April 07, 2014, 11:45:15 pm
How many sheep do you have? An alternative would be to sponge the ewes which would mean lambing would be over in 5 days! If 80+% hold to the tup you could either accept the others as empty or leave the tup in and have another week of lambing 2-3weeks later. The downside is you need 1 tup to about 10ewes although you can stagger the sponging a bit to increase the ratio.
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: suziequeue on April 08, 2014, 07:47:58 am
Thanks. We considered sponging and decided against it - hence the question about the teaser ram. We have 10 breeding ewes and don't have enough land to increase the numbers much above that.
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: Hillview Farm on April 08, 2014, 09:32:55 am
How many sheep do you have? An alternative would be to sponge the ewes which would mean lambing would be over in 5 days! If 80+% hold to the tup you could either accept the others as empty or leave the tup in and have another week of lambing 2-3weeks later. The downside is you need 1 tup to about 10ewes although you can stagger the sponging a bit to increase the ratio.

So to get them to lamb in 5 days do you implant them together or do you stagger it?
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: Me on April 08, 2014, 10:47:13 am
All together
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: Foobar on April 08, 2014, 11:07:17 am
If you stagger sponging (or the withdrawal of the sponge)  -  If one ram can do 10 ewes in one day (ish) ... how many days rest does he need before he can do any more?
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: Me on April 08, 2014, 11:18:13 am
Next day he should be ok to go again - but I have never tried this and don't know how far you can push it, 10 per day for a month sounds like it wouldn't work out well
What are people being charged to carry out the vasectomies?
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: Dogwalker on April 08, 2014, 11:58:02 am
Does it work to just ring the sac empty so he still has his balls but too warm to be fertile.

One of last years bottle lambs from a local farm is like that and seemed to get the shetlands in the mood.
Does it cause any problems I'm unaware of.
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: Foobar on April 08, 2014, 12:21:11 pm
Does it work to just ring the sac empty so he still has his balls but too warm to be fertile.

One of last years bottle lambs from a local farm is like that and seemed to get the shetlands in the mood.
Does it cause any problems I'm unaware of.
The trouble with that is that a "rig" can't be guaranteed to be infertile.
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: shep53 on April 08, 2014, 12:31:34 pm
Next day he should be ok to go again - but I have never tried this and don't know how far you can push it, 10 per day for a month sounds like it wouldn't work out well
What are people being charged to carry out the vasectomies?
              This jan 25each on farm .
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: Me on April 08, 2014, 01:49:40 pm
Ok thanks Shep, is that for a minimum number plus call out and drugs or all in?
The short scrotum method is cheap and cheerful but can go badly wrong when it is very cold for a long time - viable sperm can suddenly be produced
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: shep53 on April 08, 2014, 06:19:47 pm
 ALL in price ,did 2 for me and 2 for a near neighbour
Title: Re: Best time for ram lamb to have a vasectomy
Post by: farmvet on April 08, 2014, 11:04:37 pm
You can pull sponges between 8 and 12 days if the ewes are already cycling ( after september to october depending on breed).  If you've say 20 ewes & 1 tup, pull 10 on day 8 & put with tup then pull the rest on day 10 & add to the first group.  Lambing will be over in a week. I've got clients who lamb their flocks in batches of 150 this way..... But make sure you will have enough pens & man power. Most of my small hobby flocks also do this & just take a few days off work.