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Pedwardine

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Lincolnshire
My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« on: August 30, 2013, 10:08:17 pm »
This is the first chance all day I've had to post as the internet connection has been pants.
 
My lambs have had a tough time.
 
The story so far....
 
We've dealt with flystrike, mostly finding eggs but had one lamb with earlyish maggot infestion over the top of his tail(skin was pitted with activity)and down the inside of his left thigh. The flystrike was exasperated by our cock up of letting the grass run too low on the previous paddock resulting in a bit of a pig-out on the next one and having some runny bums which the flies loved. We trimmed bums, spraying fly and maggot killer as we did and used Clik pour-on. Astonishingly, the flies were STILL landing which we've never experienced before. I've read here on the forum that Clik isn't working well this year due to evaporation in the unusual heat. It's either that or the downpours have washed it off. Either way, trimmed, treated bums have had fresh eggs laid on them.
We were so focused on the flies that we missed some of the runs being caused by parasites. We HAD treated our lambs earlier with Vecoxan AGAINST Coccidiosis as we were cursed with it last year and never wanted them to suffer it again. We next wormed affected lambs (first worming) with both Dectomax and Depidex. Persistant problems after 24 hours were Vecoxan drenched. Still we have at least two very poorly bottoms on two with another possible three in the making (All treated as I've said). The two worst are very red with watery bloody issue. One is exceptionally lively and eating well, the other is thin and ribby and I'm quite frankly worried that he won't be alive every morning when I check. The others sound pained when they poo, and are just baaing 'not right' if you know what I mean.
Tomorrow I'm picking up some injectable treatment for possible Coccidiosis which is what the vet suspects. I'm taking fecal samples to be sure we're on the right track. Vet has also advised multivitamins (we've given Farmer's Choice tonic already)and probiotic feed as they'll be very lacking. She said something very interesting, that if I take poo produced by a healthy sheep and mash it up with some water, I can use that as a rumen stimulant. Weird stuff but apparently works. Better than trying to find yoghurt and the like I guess. I can NEVER find live yoghurt out here in the sticks.....
 
The slightly icky pic attached is of the livelier wether lamb. Apologies if you're having a very late supper.
 
What's your experience if any and your advice based on it?

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
    • Trelay Cohousing Community
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2013, 11:37:33 pm »
Oh poor little sheep - and poor you.  :hug:

Blood in faeces - one always thinks cocci.

There's been a lot of talk about haemonchus (barber pole worm) becoming more widespread.  I know it sucks blood in the stomach / intestines (not sure exactly which site(s)) but I don't know if it causes bloody stools.

Hope the vet can crack this quickly  :fc:
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Pedwardine

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Lincolnshire
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2013, 12:37:12 am »
Thanks Sally  :-*

SteveHants

  • Joined Aug 2011
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2013, 03:32:36 pm »
Re: clik. Clik does not treat strike, it prevents it. It works by inhibiting the ability of the maggot to moult into its final sage before it pupates. So, flies will land and lay eggs which will hatch into small maggots (which have no working mouthparts a that stage) with clik. It is crovect/ectofly that treat strike and prevent. If you have a persistent cocci problem, that is not acute, the buckets work well - so, treat with vecoxan I courting and ten out buckets out.

suziequeue

  • Joined Feb 2010
  • Llanidloes; Powys
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2013, 05:32:13 pm »
the buckets work well - so, treat with vecoxan I courting and ten out buckets out.


Sorry - I don't understand this. Please could you elaborate?  ??? :dunce:
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Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2013, 05:36:53 pm »
I'm wondering if that bum has been pecked, say by a crow?   It looks very raw, poor thing.   If that is the case then disguising the redness would help prevent more.
Sorry no experience of anything else except maggots - we would use Crovect plus severe trim
 
 
Looks like Stevehants has been got by the gobbledegook gremlin
« Last Edit: August 31, 2013, 05:39:37 pm by Fleecewife »
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Pedwardine

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Lincolnshire
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2013, 08:31:03 pm »
SteveHants
 
WHAT YOU SAYIN' MAN?!
 
I know Clik does not treat but prevents. Reassuring that the flies, though still landing and laying will not produce the final nasty munchy maggots.
 
Fleecewife. It's not been pecked by a crow or suchlike. The red is coming out. Have to say it looks better today.
 

graham-j

  • Joined Jul 2012
  • Canterbury Kent
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2013, 09:35:01 pm »
Hi,that is awful,sorry I have no advice just to say I hope things get better very soon.

Graham.
Graham.

moprabbit

  • Joined Oct 2011
  • North Notts
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2013, 10:19:20 pm »
Sorry no helpful advice - just hope it all gets better very quickly!
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Mammyshaz

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • Durham
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2013, 10:43:22 pm »
That Botti looks awfully sore. Hope the lambs heal quickly for you. Sorry not too good with sheep help. Only advice is to bathe sore botties with dilute  pevidine to help as an antiseptic.

SteveHants

  • Joined Aug 2011
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2013, 10:39:00 am »
the buckets work well - so, treat with vecoxan I courting and ten out buckets out.


Sorry - I don't understand this. Please could you elaborate?  ??? :dunce:


Sorry - I was on my wifes iPad and it has an autocorrect function which I wasn't aware of.... ;D


What I was trying to say is: you can get lick buckets that treat cocci - but they are only really recommended if the infection is sub-acute, ie the cocci might be inhibiting growth but are not yet causing scour etc. So, if you have persistant coccidiosis, treat with vecoxan to get rid of the acute infections and then put lick buckets out to keep levels down on an ongoing basis.

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
    • Trelay Cohousing Community
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2013, 11:02:55 am »
Amanda, how did this wee wether do?

My Sadie has less dramatic blood around anus, I can't be sure if it's in the faeces or coming from the lining.  She's up to date on worming and fluking, so have given Vecoxan - but I'm not sure it is cocci...

I think if you didn't know her and/or didn't spend a lot of time watching this group of sheep, you wouldn't spot anything wrong, but she is a bit off colour, although she is eating her cake and grazing a little.  She is bright and reactive when you go in amongst them.  So far she hasn't lost any condition.
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Pedwardine

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Lincolnshire
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2013, 12:25:20 pm »
Our little lad is fully recovered after a five day course of Norodin antibiotic specifically recommended for the possibility of Cocci (1.5ml per day). I wasn't sure it was Cocci either. He also had Pro-rumen and a multivit jab on the first day of treatment because he wasn't looking strong. Fighting fit now and back in my face again!

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2013, 12:30:37 pm »
Excellent news  :thumbsup:    I like a happy ending  ;D
"Let's not talk about what we can do, but do what we can"

There is NO planet B - what are YOU doing to save our home?

Do something today that your future self will thank you for - plant a tree

 Love your soil - it's the lifeblood of your land.

Marches Farmer

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Herefordshire
Re: My poorly lambs-botty pic attached!
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2013, 03:24:30 pm »
Note on treating flystrike - I think it's generally worth squirting some dilute Jeyes around the area (100 ml Jeyes in 1 litre water.  The smell stops the flies homing in on the smell of muck/decay/fleece rot/other maggots or whatever attracted them the first time around.

 

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