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tommytink

  • Joined Aug 2018
Feeling a failure this morning
« on: March 07, 2023, 11:37:01 am »
So annoyed with myself this morning. Outside lamber had had a lamb and was cleaning it up fine. Went to check and could see the tips of the feet of the next one. Some of the other sheep started coming to me with their lambs which were running around so I thought I’d come away and go back to her in 10 mins. Went and checked lambs born in shed this morning, cleaned up mess in there, went back and twin had been born but bag was over its head. I tried reviving it but it was gone.
It doesn’t help my OH starts saying I didn’t need to leave her and should’ve stayed close by etc. Makes me feel even worse. I could see the tips of the feet and there didn’t appear to be anything wrong so it wasn’t like she needed assistance, so thought 10 mins wouldn’t do any harm. Not like I left her struggling. Just feel sad. I know the whole livestock deadstock crap but this just feels unfair. I know I don’t post much here but the only place I can do so with any sort of privacy.

sabrina

  • Joined Nov 2008
Re: Feeling a failure this morning
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2023, 12:19:21 pm »
I had this with a foal, I had been watching the mare on CCTV. Went out to check foal was coming right and then went to feed the others. Lucky for me I got back in time to save the foal but it was touch and go. Breeding any animal is a huge risk and can break your heart. When it turns out well we are filled with joy. Some things just happen so don't be hard on yourself.

PipKelpy

  • Joined Mar 2019
  • North Shropshire
  • Dreamer with docile cow and sheep!
Re: Feeling a failure this morning
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2023, 12:31:13 pm »
I've been hoping that this year WOULD be a good year!!!

So far, 1 in-lamb ewe shot (vet wanted £80 just to come out to look or "you can just pop in and get some drugs!" Pop in? 26 mile round trip and treatment "may or not work")

EVERY ewe has needed assistance! Not one has presented right, heads back, 1 leg, even had a ewe shoot out a lamb, head presented, legs right back, only had that as it was a smaller triplet but then mum and her little hands had to pull out the other 2.

And we're only a third through!

Halter train the cattle to keep them quiet but watch your back when they come a'bulling! Give them all names even those you plan to eat. Always be calm. Most importantly, invest in wellies with steel toe caps and be prepared for the clever cow who knows where the toe caps end!!

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
    • Trelay Cohousing Community
Re: Feeling a failure this morning
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2023, 03:55:01 pm »
So annoyed with myself this morning. Outside lamber had had a lamb and was cleaning it up fine. Went to check and could see the tips of the feet of the next one. Some of the other sheep started coming to me with their lambs which were running around so I thought I’d come away and go back to her in 10 mins. Went and checked lambs born in shed this morning, cleaned up mess in there, went back and twin had been born but bag was over its head. I tried reviving it but it was gone.
It doesn’t help my OH starts saying I didn’t need to leave her and should’ve stayed close by etc. Makes me feel even worse. I could see the tips of the feet and there didn’t appear to be anything wrong so it wasn’t like she needed assistance, so thought 10 mins wouldn’t do any harm. Not like I left her struggling. Just feel sad. I know the whole livestock deadstock crap but this just feels unfair. I know I don’t post much here but the only place I can do so with any sort of privacy.

You absolutely should not be blaming yourself, you did exactly what I would have done and there was nothing to suggest this ewe wouldn't lick the second lamb's head as soon as it was born. 

Your assessment that it was more important to lead the other sheep away from her was exactly right, and I too would not have gone straight back over to her.  Leaving the field so that the others settled back down, away from the lamber, was also the absolutely right thing to do.  (And you can tell your OH I said so.  If he's lambed over 3000 ewes, most of them outside, over 16 years or more, he can argue an alternative view with me if he likes.  But if he had, I doubt he'd have been so insensitive.  Anyone who's farmed knows that trusting your own judgement is crucial for anyone in farming, so even if there are other ways to look at things, it's never helpful to bring another person down over what they did in a given circumstance.  By all means offer a gentle, "Something you might like to consider for another time" if there was a better course of action they could have taken - and you'll know from my past posts that I would be doing that if I thought you could have made a different and better choice.) 

It really was bad luck.  On the plus side she's got one healthy lamb which will now do extremely well, and be away bigger and earlier than if it'd been sharing the milk with a sibling, and the ewe will have learned her lesson for another time.  Her condition will be less affected by rearing one lamb, so she'll be well placed to have another pair next year and to do them both well.

Grieve for the little life lost, but don't dwell on it. 

Any lessons to be learned?  Not really, no-one watches every eye every minute of every lambing, and walking away for 10 minutes at "toes showing" is both normal and reasonable.  If she was a first-time lamber, or had never had twins before, failing to lick the second lamb as soon as it's born is a little more likely - but then so is failing to bond with either lamb because her flock mates are all fussing around her, which risk you correctly averted.  (This sort of thing is why I like my caravan in the middle of the field at lambing time, and a good pair of binoculars!)
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

Live in a cohousing community with small farm for our own use.  Dairy cows (rearing their own calves for beef), pigs, sheep for meat and fleece, ducks and hens for eggs, veg and fruit growing

Rosemary

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Barry, Angus, Scotland
    • The Accidental Smallholder
Re: Feeling a failure this morning
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2023, 04:21:02 pm »
What Sally says.  :hug:

Penninehillbilly

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • West Yorks
Re: Feeling a failure this morning
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2023, 08:47:49 pm »
TT, Ive done exactly the same thing in the past, a goat, kidded one, no sign of another, popped down field to feed others and turn out, less than 10 mins, came back to dead 2nd kid. could I have saved it? who knows, but felt sick at the time.
But maybe your lamb was already gone when born? that's why the mum didn't clean it right?
I agree with Sally, I would have got the other sheep away rather than them stressing new mum.
OH's can be a bit insensitive when things have gone wrong! (I know)
Take Care, hope everything else goes well for you.
 :hug:

tommytink

  • Joined Aug 2018
Re: Feeling a failure this morning
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2023, 08:36:21 pm »
Thanks all. Especially you @SallyintNorth as I know you have lots of experience and for you to say you’d have done the same thing helps make me feel a little better. It was just rotten luck and timing. She’s always had singles, with experience I may have thought to maybe hang around knowing a second one was coming. But maybe she’s also learned what she should’ve done? We’ll see next year. For now she has her lamb and I’m sure he’ll grow like a weed now!
Yesterday was the busiest one I’ve ever had with five lambing in one day. Small numbers for some of you no doubt but gave me the chance to help save lives which focused me again on what’s important.
@PipKelpy it sounds like you’re having a very trying time. I hope the challenges are behind you and the rest of your lambing goes a bit easier on you.

PipKelpy

  • Joined Mar 2019
  • North Shropshire
  • Dreamer with docile cow and sheep!
Re: Feeling a failure this morning
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2023, 07:08:22 am »
Thanks all. Especially you @SallyintNorth as I know you have lots of experience and for you to say you’d have done the same thing helps make me feel a little better. It was just rotten luck and timing. She’s always had singles, with experience I may have thought to maybe hang around knowing a second one was coming. But maybe she’s also learned what she should’ve done? We’ll see next year. For now she has her lamb and I’m sure he’ll grow like a weed now!
Yesterday was the busiest one I’ve ever had with five lambing in one day. Small numbers for some of you no doubt but gave me the chance to help save lives which focused me again on what’s important.
@PipKelpy it sounds like you’re having a very trying time. I hope the challenges are behind you and the rest of your lambing goes a bit easier on you.

Strong nephew has come in handy twice now! Even passed comment "my shoulders hurt!" Can't understand why they are throwing big heads, sired by Dorset Down! We've never known it happen before. The last couple of ewes have been battered and they are big Wiltshires!

 The next 2 I got in last night before the snow started and we'll start watching these today but they start the sired by Shetland mob so I'm hoping they'll be different (praying for easier), CM and Shetland ewes, DDX ewes, couple of WH ewes...........

Halter train the cattle to keep them quiet but watch your back when they come a'bulling! Give them all names even those you plan to eat. Always be calm. Most importantly, invest in wellies with steel toe caps and be prepared for the clever cow who knows where the toe caps end!!

shep53

  • Joined Jan 2011
  • Dumfries & Galloway
Re: Feeling a failure this morning
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2023, 09:29:42 am »
Is he a new ram to you so that he may be the reason for the problems ? or are you over feeding ( amounts fed 1 year may be too much or too little another year ) if so then reducing the amount fed pre lambing can have a quick result

PipKelpy

  • Joined Mar 2019
  • North Shropshire
  • Dreamer with docile cow and sheep!
Re: Feeling a failure this morning
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2023, 02:52:04 pm »
Is he a new ram to you so that he may be the reason for the problems ? or are you over feeding ( amounts fed 1 year may be too much or too little another year ) if so then reducing the amount fed pre lambing can have a quick result

Am assuming you're asking me the question.

The DD tups always come from the same breeder and apart from one year (he came as a ram lamb stayed for Christmas then went home after serving the 2nd time) have always had a different animal. But have NEVER had big heads before or so many with issues!

The other thing different is that I don't have grass (I usually always have grass for lambing, may not be any goodness in it but it's there for them to nibble on). They have hay, haylage, Superlyx Super Energy (They won't eat the prelamber!) Rock Salt, the hedges....... The Shetlands and the CM like the hedges!

We don't feed nuts before hand as many years ago I was advised to, how much etc and to get his day, I truly believe that I impressively contributed to the vets New Years Eve party!

For the last few years, I hand feed them a few nuts, those ewes who are due (in order) to keep them sweet!

Just weird and annoying this year, to say the least!


Halter train the cattle to keep them quiet but watch your back when they come a'bulling! Give them all names even those you plan to eat. Always be calm. Most importantly, invest in wellies with steel toe caps and be prepared for the clever cow who knows where the toe caps end!!

 

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