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Livestock => Sheep => Primitive Sheep => Topic started by: namethatsheep on August 13, 2018, 09:23:25 pm

Title: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: namethatsheep on August 13, 2018, 09:23:25 pm
All

Just noticed that German Red Fox sheep are being brought forward at the Lanark Sale on 18 August. I've never seen them before in the flesh so might take a dander down to Lanark to see them

http://www.dowthwaiteheadfarm.co.uk/fox-sheep.html (http://www.dowthwaiteheadfarm.co.uk/fox-sheep.html)

Sale details - http://www.lawrieandsymington.com/lanark/sale-dates/saturday-rare-minority-breed-sale (http://www.lawrieandsymington.com/lanark/sale-dates/saturday-rare-minority-breed-sale)

Apologies, just realised that I've placed this discussion thread inappropriately under the primitive section (will try harder next time!)
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: Fleecewife on August 14, 2018, 12:23:23 am
They do look fascinating - a moorit colour on a fine fleeced sheep.
Check who's selling them - it's not the place you quote as a breeder (hint - see what other breeds the vendor has forward)
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: roddycm on August 14, 2018, 07:09:12 am
They look lovely! I must Google more about them ;)
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: Bionic on August 14, 2018, 09:23:03 am
They look nice. I would love to try spinning the fleece  :spin:
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: kanisha on August 14, 2018, 05:16:15 pm
As i understand it technically they are white sheep with high phaeomelanin (red factor) not sure how fine fleeced they are coarser fibres generally carry fibre better.err colour better!
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: namethatsheep on August 16, 2018, 08:43:54 pm
They look nice. I would love to try spinning the fleece  :spin:

Bionic, I've discovered that spun wool is available from http://www.crookabeck.co.uk/red-fox-sheep.html (http://www.crookabeck.co.uk/red-fox-sheep.html) at a charge of 12.50 per 100g. Yardage 150 yds per 100 gms.

Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: Bionic on August 17, 2018, 12:34:16 pm
They look nice. I would love to try spinning the fleece  :spin:

Bionic, I've discovered that spun wool is available from http://www.crookabeck.co.uk/red-fox-sheep.html (http://www.crookabeck.co.uk/red-fox-sheep.html) at a charge of 12.50 per 100g. Yardage 150 yds per 100 gms.
But that defeats the object. I want to do the spinning :-)
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: Fleecewife on August 17, 2018, 07:09:42 pm
I'm popping along to the sale in the morning so I'll let you know if there's anything special about the fleece - or the sheep  :sheep:
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: lintmill on August 17, 2018, 07:47:05 pm
We will see you there FW
We popped down to the Heb show,  lots of very black 2 horn........not a multi-horn in sight.....

Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: Fleecewife on August 18, 2018, 01:42:19 pm
I'm popping along to the sale in the morning so I'll let you know if there's anything special about the fleece - or the sheep  :sheep:


There was a Roman nosed ewe with big twin lambs at foot.  Face and legs a lovely rich moorit colour, but the fleece is basically a dirty white - might be a clean white when washed, or pale fawn.  Ewe was shorn so no fleece to judge, but looked like typical 'fore and aft' type - better over shoulders, coarser over britch.  Lambs, fleece fairly short, about 5cm, soft to touch but no defined crimp, also neck wool full of finely crumbled VM, the sort nothing will get out.  These sheep were sold by a dealer so not protected against VM so might be better if owned by someone with fleece in mind.  I could visualise it being spun into a thick singles like Lopi, or a finer woollen spun plied double knit, for a soft, light jumper.  It didn't make me think 'ooh, I've got to spin that'.  Had the colour been the foxy red then yes, I would like to spin it.  Manx Loughtan is a better moorit colour and nice and soft too.


@namethatsheep  Did you buy the foxies?


It was good to see many kent  faces there, including Mr and Mrs Lintmill.  We didn't intend to buy anything and didn't, not even the Valais cross Jacob and Valais cross Shetlands, which were cute beyond belief.
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: namethatsheep on August 18, 2018, 02:31:24 pm
@namethatsheep  Did you buy the foxies?


No, but did inspect them and agree with your comments. They were reasonable specimens - not exceptional but not bad either. The Coburger Fuchsschaf (to give its proper German name) has a certain novelty value but on the basis of the three seen I  think I'd stick with UK breeds. I'm aware that fleeces can be golden or at least havea reddish hue. As Fleecewife states the three at the sale were off-white. The heads and legs though were attractively coloured..  They realised 130-150 each so not too bad and were all purchased by the same young buyer. I looked at the Romanovs (realised 50-80) but have seen better. I'm not a fan of Valais Blacknose (or crosses) but can see how they would appeal to folk, particularly those that like Ryelands. Thought Hebs were ok but beginning to look like identikit sheep. Thought the unregisted ewes stood company with registered specimens - some of the lambs at foot were good (realised 40-60 for ewe plus twins) Unregistered Soay lambs went for 18 - I remember them selling for just 25p ten years ago. I'm a sucker for the most primitive of our sheep. Eligible North Ronaldsay went for 10 (ewe lambs), 5 (ram lambs) to the butchers.  The real money seems to be with Pygmy Goats (85-240), but noticed that coat colour has a large bearing on price with tan bicolours/ tricolours being most favoured and solid black the least popular.
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: Fleecewife on August 18, 2018, 11:06:59 pm
What a huge shame that the Ronnies went for such a pittance.  A couple of years ago or so, when Palacerigg thought they had to sell off their whole flock, there was fierce competition for the Ronnies.  Now I really really wish we had brought some home today.
You are right on the nail about identikit Hebs - two horned and the blacker the better, as the long term result of breeding for the showring.  We are devoting ourselves now to promoting the Ancient Type of Heb (see my avatar, Gladstone Laughing Boy, for an example of The Ancient Type).  They are becoming ever more popular in Scotland and the North of England, and we have sent a little flock down to Devon, so maybe the word is spreading further afield.


Thank you for the prices.  We didn't stay long, just long enough to hear that a friend sold a Shetland for 150 so was delighted.  I didn't pick up if it was a tup or ewe.
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: lintmill on August 19, 2018, 07:37:58 am
The North Ronnie ewe lambs were bought by someone both FW and myself know, so the 3 were saved at least.
I bought 3 (registered) Bagot kids (female)  75 for the 3
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: Fleecewife on August 19, 2018, 10:37:54 am
Oh good.  I'll find out who when I come to cuddle the baby bagots  :thinking: :goat: :goat: :goat: ;D :wave:
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: Bionic on August 19, 2018, 12:39:37 pm
Fleecewife, thanks for the update about the fleece. Do't think I will be rushing out to buy some
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on August 20, 2018, 08:09:57 am
they look very pretty animals, practical too. I do wonder what the meat would be like tho, they seem like a pretty lean sheep, from the pictures... It says they're used for landscape management but it doesn't seem to say any more about them really. This may require some further research ;) Thankls for that btw :D
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: landroverroy on August 20, 2018, 09:57:13 am
Without wishing to be bleak (and failing!) - they just look like brown Shetlands to me, with a different name and inflated price. :innocent:
Title: Re: German Red Fox Sheep
Post by: waterbuffalofarmer on August 30, 2018, 02:53:53 pm
Without wishing to be bleak (and failing!) - they just look like brown Shetlands to me, with a different name and inflated price. :innocent:

shhhhhhh they just may get away with it  :innocent: :innocent: ;) :D :D