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Livestock => Poultry & Waterfowl => Topic started by: Farmboss64 on June 07, 2021, 11:03:02 pm

Title: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Farmboss64 on June 07, 2021, 11:03:02 pm
Don’t know what this is it just came up today treated it with salt water it’s a salmon feverolles chicken
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: chrismahon on June 08, 2021, 07:32:30 pm
Never seen anything like that in 12 years of forums- it's ghastly. At a guess it's a form of canker of some kind. I don't think you should try treating it without vet consultation. Look carefully at your husbandry, or find someone to look for you.
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: in the hills on June 08, 2021, 08:35:23 pm
I'd ask your get to take a look. I've never seen anything like that either.


Must be very painful for her.
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: in the hills on June 08, 2021, 08:41:45 pm
Have a look at the information on the British Hen Welfare Trust page about canker.
One of their photos looks similar.



Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Fleecewife on June 08, 2021, 09:16:15 pm
Whatever it is salty water isn't going to cure it.  I would expect that as soon as you saw something like that you would either take the bird to your vet, or put it out of its misery pronto.
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Farmboss64 on June 08, 2021, 09:26:16 pm
My vet doesn’t know s**t about any animal accept cows so there goes that idea
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Farmboss64 on June 08, 2021, 10:16:08 pm
It is hard and it doesn’t move the chicken in fact is not in any pain it could just be a bit tender if it got touched she’s acting completely normal
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: in the hills on June 08, 2021, 10:24:31 pm
If it is something like canker it could spread to your other birds. It seems to be carried by wild birds especially pigeons.


I understand that some vets aren't expert where chickens are concerned but they usually have a good understanding of common ailments. It would be a good idea to at least have a telephone conversation with them initially. Treatment might be quite simple and inexpensive.


I  don't think chickens often show pain until it's too late.
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Farmboss64 on June 08, 2021, 10:31:47 pm
Just phoned them vet wasn’t there we will see what they say
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: doganjo on June 09, 2021, 10:29:12 am
Just phoned them vet wasn’t there we will see what they say
Only one vet?  No partners?  IS there a vet nurse?  Sometimes they are better than vets
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Farmboss64 on June 09, 2021, 02:41:22 pm
Just phoned them vet wasn’t there we will see what they say
Only one vet?  No partners?  IS there a vet nurse?  Sometimes they are better than vets only one vet usually not in the office go when they want to I guess not very professional
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: doganjo on June 09, 2021, 04:13:35 pm
Maybe time for a new vet even if it means travelling further?
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Farmboss64 on June 09, 2021, 05:06:39 pm
Ya I think out of the province would be best for a vet
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: chrismahon on June 09, 2021, 07:30:57 pm
So two days later and still no progress. No sense of urgency then! And how is the poor little chicken? Have you thrown all the welfare standards out of the window?
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Farmboss64 on June 09, 2021, 07:39:50 pm
The way I see it is theses types of forums are for getting other farmers opinions first if somebody else has had the same problem they can comment of how they fixed it and why it is before I take it to the vet that doesn’t know anything and majority of the posts that I have posted I have fixed at home through other people experiences most of the time when we take it to the vet the vet says the exact same way as we’ve already been doing. Just because I post on here asking for peoples experiences does not mean I will never take the animal to the vet I am just looking for other peoples opinions and ideas before hand AND I DID CONTACT THE VETS SURROUNDING ME BUT THEY ARE ALL HOPELESS AND HAVE NOT GOT BAVK TO ME WHAT SO EVER
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Tractorfarmer1902 on June 09, 2021, 08:22:54 pm
Ive been going through this chat because at first the title of the post caught my attention, and while I do agree that at some point you should get the bird checked out by a vet, I have to disagree with some other points. I sympathize with you (Farmboss64) while I, myself live in a secluded area and the vet doesn't know much about anything other than larger animals like cows. this can be very frustrating and I find it is exceptionally hard to find vets that specialize in certain species in rural areas. my operation does many of the same things as well, if there is a sick animal, we look up possible causes and treatments online and treat them ourselves unless the situation is dire. Many of these responses I have seen are quick to accuse this account of abusing animals or not caring etc. when it could 100% not be true!! Lets not forget this world is cruel and there are far worse people doing far worse things. Every farmer that has livestock obviously has their animal's welfare in mind and care about their animals. it is unfortunate that on a forum like this where we smallholders are supposed to be offering guidance to others but instead are accusing and saying some rather nasty things to each other  :gloomy: Keep us posted on the little lady! how is she doing? is the mass getting bigger or smaller? An idea may be to talk to the vet on the phone instead of bringing her in, saves money and you get pretty much the same kind of treatment. Make sure to describe everything about it to them, if it is squishy, hard, if she is doing anything out of the ordinary. Keep an eye on the others in the flock as well!
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: landroverroy on June 09, 2021, 09:00:45 pm
I agree that it's often helpful to ask on a forum and see if anyone else has had the same experience. But having hit a blank there is the whole of the knowledge of the internet available if you feel that consulting your vet is a waste of time. It would seem of little help to the hen just giving up because your vet is of little use with poultry.
I googled "large black growth on hen's face" and found the picture below on "Back yard poultry"
Looks very similar to your's. The suggestion is that the growth is a canker and treatment with Metronidazole might help. I believe you can get it from pet shops, as a treatment for fish infections, under the name of fish zole. Available, apparently without prescription, as your vet won't prescribe it anyway without seeing the bird, and that would cost more than the bird's worth.
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Farmboss64 on June 09, 2021, 09:50:06 pm
I have options of what it could be but for everyone saying that the salt water won’t do anything and you should bring it to your vet well the salt water actually does work it is getting smaller and looks like it might be coming loose
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Tractorfarmer1902 on June 09, 2021, 10:18:46 pm
Wow! that is wonderful! Amazing how something as simple as salt water has helped. :excited:
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: landroverroy on June 09, 2021, 10:29:04 pm
I don't recall saying that salt water wouldn't work, or that you should take the bird to the vet.  :thinking:


I just relayed some relevant info that I found on the internet. (You're welcome.)


However I agree there's definitely a considerable improvement.
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Farmboss64 on June 09, 2021, 11:10:50 pm
I was more so talking to the other ones that said it wouldn’t do anything for the chicken and I should just take her to the vet only
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Farmboss64 on June 11, 2021, 02:47:31 pm
Update on the chicken it has gotten much smaller and parts of it have fallen off
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Q on June 12, 2021, 12:40:45 pm
Update on the chicken it has gotten much smaller and parts of it have fallen off
This happened to me as I got older too!   :coat:
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: landroverroy on June 12, 2021, 05:07:03 pm
Update on the chicken it has gotten much smaller and parts of it have fallen off
This happened to me as I got older too!   :coat:


 :hug: :roflanim: :roflanim: :roflanim:
Title: Re: Something on my chickens mouth
Post by: Scarlet.Dragon on June 15, 2021, 09:28:40 pm
At the risk of asking the idiot question... do your birds have access to mash?  I only ask because 2 of mine developed very similar 'growths' between me feeding them in the morning and getting home from work.  Solid, hard and lumpy looking... a closer inspection indicated they hadn't cleaned their beaks properly and the mash had set like cement.  I gave it a firm wipe and it broke off... a quick wash with some water and their beaks were restored...  just a thought!