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deepinthewoods

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freedom of speech.
« on: August 22, 2012, 12:20:57 pm »
theres 2 days left to stop the 'big brother' surveillance act. please read this and sign the petition. already, everything you write on facebook is admissable in court,
 this new bill really is a step to far. everything you write, sites you visit, private communications are all set to be monitored and stored.
http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_the_big_brother_law_1/

tizaala

  • Joined Mar 2011
  • Dolau, Llandrindod Wells,Powys
Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2012, 12:39:34 pm »
Originally planned to be part of the anti terrorist and rioter and internet grooming control, now that the news of the world is no longer doing the Government listening in jobs, looks like job creation at GCHQ. Nothing new , the've always done it, I don't think the ordinary man in the street will have anything to worry about as long as it takes the baddies out of the frame.  :thinking:

deepinthewoods

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2012, 12:46:57 pm »
no tiz. your missing the point!!
 
this has npothing to do with sorting out the baddies. this is to ensure that in the future, the government can do whatever it likes without the general population being able to do anything about it.
for example. if they were to decide to privatise the nhs and you wished to organize a protest you wouldnt be able to without them knowing.
would you be happy to have every peice of mail you sent in the post, steamed open, copied and filed just in case you did something wrong in the future. thats what this bill means.
 
how many people on this forum have posted about how they feed kitchen scraps to pigs etc etc, if this bill comes in that would be admissable as evidence in a court of law.
please wake up and smell the roses. this is an erosion of your privacy solely to prevent dissent in the future.

tobytoby

  • Joined May 2011
  • north ayrshire
Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2012, 12:55:23 pm »
The state this country is in - rip off britain, immigration etc etc this is the least of my worries!!

tizaala

  • Joined Mar 2011
  • Dolau, Llandrindod Wells,Powys
Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2012, 12:55:39 pm »
I signed this weeks ago, but my point is , THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT. Everthing transmittable is listenable, there are whole sections of GCHQ dedicated to this work , if you want a private conversation then buy a stamp.  :innocent:

the great composto

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2012, 01:12:59 pm »
Gosh DITW - there is an element of scaremongering here.   You are absolutely right about what the bill means that TECHNICALLY you could be picked up for feeding pigs from the kitchen but REALLY?  How many people do you think the government would have to employ to find that out and act up on it - unless they employ the staff of the google empire.
My guess is that the information would be used retrospectively if there were a serious consequence related to your actions ( swine fever outbreak etc).

The balance for me is that I will accept the monitoring as a (relatively) law abiding citizen even though i dont like it because there is a fair chance it will keep me safe from some of the nutters out there.

I think it will drive the critical information underground (terrorists using the postal service tickles me).

robert waddell

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2012, 01:21:00 pm »
this was my point with e aml   you have committed yourself  if you inadvertently break the law on any number of points that you write   tax insurance mot if the vehicle is roadworthy is the trailer roadworthy  your average speed  the route taken   suitable rest periods for you and the stock
 
your only defence would be to plead insanity :farmer:

Greenmoor

  • Joined Aug 2012
  • Lancashire
Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2012, 01:23:56 pm »

your only defence would be to plead insanity :farmer:

I'm pretty sure as we've declared ourselves smallholders, they've already got us on that one  :P


deepinthewoods

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2012, 01:36:11 pm »
it wasnt scaremongering, it was an example.
i just want to make sure that my kids have the same rights as i have been accustomed to. the next generation has already got one whole heap of sh.t to sort out that our generation will leave, freedom of speech and the right to privacy is about to be lost.
look at the bigger picture, if you think that by watching news night you know whats going on in the world then your wrong, 80% of ALL journalism in this country is fed by the pr agencies of the government.
dont be sheeple, be free people!

deepinthewoods

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 01:38:45 pm »
and none of this will PREVENT crime, kids will still be fiddled with, yes it might mean that it catches a few, but all this bill will do is push these crimes OFF the internet, and make it HARDER to catch them.
 
as if a terrorist ever put up a bomb plot on his fb status....

Greenerlife

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Leafy Surrey
Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2012, 01:45:16 pm »
If I had any faith in the authorities actually being able to use the technology to access quadrillion bits of information I'd sign the petition.  I've seen one police station where the access password is written on a post-it note on the screen! 

the great composto

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2012, 02:08:53 pm »
DITW - i know it was an example and I agree broadly with what you are saying.
I am intelligent enough to be aware of what we are being fed through all forms of media is 99% controlled where i also accept there is a percentage of the population who live in blissful ignorance.

I just want to keep some form of perspective because the alternative is paranoia.  If the monitoring and protection is not there then the mood might turn to fear.

I would be sheeple if i blindly accepted what you say without making a rational and considered choice.

Castle Farm

  • Joined Nov 2008
  • Hereford/Powys Border. near Hay-on-Wye
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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2012, 02:25:28 pm »
 :innocent:
Not another petition for god sake.

Surely there are better ways to spend your time than clicking on a petition. If you click on it 'THEY' will know who you are :excited:
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Rosie posie

  • Joined Mar 2012
Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2012, 03:27:43 pm »
I'm with you DITW.


Call me paranoid all you like folks, it's too late when it's too late!

deepinthewoods

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2012, 03:36:43 pm »
:innocent:
Not another petition for god sake.

Surely there are better ways to spend your time than clicking on a petition. If you click on it 'THEY' will know who you are :excited:

and how much time does clicking a petition take?
 
rosie posie, thanks.
 
i suppose its the twin towers syndrome, when 3 towers came down.

 

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