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Penninehillbilly

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • West Yorks
Re: bird flu
« Reply #135 on: December 12, 2016, 02:32:42 pm »
I'm guessing our 'locals' will get it if it's brought in by migrants, then possibly infect domestics. We probably don't hear of the LBJ's dying because they'd be in undergrowth, dead grass etc, we only hear of the more conspicuous ducks etc.
Since a fox slaughter mine are kept in the polytunnel anyway, with a run that opens to the outside. Been meaning to move them out, glad I didn't,  just covered run with perspex. Little birdies sleep in poly.

big soft moose

  • Joined Oct 2016
Re: bird flu
« Reply #136 on: December 12, 2016, 03:18:48 pm »

I've been wondering about that, too. Exactly which birds can carry bird flu - all of them or just certain species?


Its not an exact science but the highest risk are migrating waterfowl - swans, ducks, geese etc , then other migratory birds coming from or through the infected areas.

Of course that's not to say that migrating birds can't pass it to British wild birds that then pass it on - but again the highest risk are those likely to pick up faeces when feeding, so waterfowl and carrion eaters like magpies.  The chances of a robin catching and transmitting  it are pretty small i'd have thought (with the proviso that I'm not an epidemiologist)

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
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Re: bird flu
« Reply #137 on: December 12, 2016, 03:39:44 pm »
I'm currently doing a MOOC (free online course) about flu - human, avian and swine.  It was recorded before the current European outbreak of N5H8, but is helpful for the epidemiology and never ending mutation process.  It does explain how we can have a pandemic of a new strain one year, then it turns into a seasonal flu variant which gradually decreases in severity, until it disappears, or rather mutates.  Seasonal flu spends the winter in the northern hemisphere then toddles off down to the southern hemisphere for their winter.


It has been pointed out that the mutations often seem to start in the far east, where small producers live more closely with their livestock, in a yard, children playing with the hens and pigs, poor hygiene.  These fowl are then taken live to large markets and slaughtered at home by the buyer.


Our hens seem quite delighted to be in the polytunnel - one huge dust bath  :chook:   We could maybe manage with them in there through the summer if it comes to it, by screening off a separate growing bit.  Here's hoping it doesn't last so long and lets hope  :fc:  we don't get a pandemic here.


Remember to pay especial attention to personal hygiene when dealing with your poultry.
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desertmum

  • Joined Mar 2016
Re: bird flu
« Reply #138 on: December 12, 2016, 06:44:34 pm »
mine are getting a bit fed up with being in the sheep shed and a couple make a run for freedom every time I go in.   :)  I hope this doesn't last more than 30 days or I will have to sort out something else and split them.  Fortunately we have a light in the sheep shed so it's not too dark, but laying has gone down  :(

On the plus side sick Posh Chicken seems to be doing well and her eye is now open although still a bit swollen.

Oh!  They got their first Christmas card yesterday   :)  We have some lovely (and slightly mad) customers  :thumbsup:

Dans

  • Joined Jun 2012
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Re: bird flu
« Reply #139 on: December 12, 2016, 07:03:43 pm »
Argh. I ordered panels for a run on Weds. The guy shipped them on Thurs 48h delivery. I stay in Friday and Saturday but no panels. I email on Saturday night and he says they will probably be there Monday. Stay in all day today only to get an email to say that they have now been shipped today and should be here tomorrow or Weds.

Physically not enough room to put them in without a welfare issue and don't know what to do. I just want to get the in and covered. The chicks and the geese are contained but it is just my main flock. So angry at this seller.

Now off to b&q to see if we can find something.

Dans
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Penninehillbilly

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • West Yorks
Re: bird flu
« Reply #140 on: December 12, 2016, 07:16:25 pm »
What do people feed geese while confined?
Mine aren't normally given much, so if I suddenly feed them soley corn I can imagine very upset digestive systems.
So far I'm relying on the 'not practicable to keep inside', bit in the biosecurity info, their sheds are too small for 24hr, 30 days, they get fed inside when shut in nights. If the flu does become a problem here it may call for drastic action :-(.
Hens ARE confined to quarters.

Dans

  • Joined Jun 2012
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Re: bird flu
« Reply #141 on: December 12, 2016, 07:46:53 pm »
We are feeding a goose feed from our feed suppliers. Seems to be like a seed mix. Wasn't sure they would eat it as they are normally just on grass with a bit of corn but they seem to be doing OK on it. Open to other food suggestions though.

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davet

  • Joined Sep 2016
Re: bird flu
« Reply #142 on: December 12, 2016, 08:50:20 pm »
Our geese are on primarily wheat, with a few layers' pellets and the occasional handful of mixed corn from the chickens, which is the same as they were getting in the evening when they were free ranging.  Obviously they have more of it now, but they're not going through as much as I expected.  Not spending much energy while confined I guess.

clydesdaleclopper

  • Joined Aug 2009
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: bird flu
« Reply #143 on: December 13, 2016, 02:24:20 pm »
My geese previously got goose and duck pellets as well as free ranging. Since they have been shut in they aren't really eating and seem very depressed. They aren't even making any noise. Does anyone have any ideas what I could tempt them with?
Our holding has Anglo Nubian and British Toggenburg goats, Gotland sheep, Franconian Geese, Blue Swedish ducks, a whole load of mongrel hens and two semi-feral children.

Dans

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Re: bird flu
« Reply #144 on: December 13, 2016, 02:58:47 pm »
Apples? My geese love them. Head of lettice?

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Penninehillbilly

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • West Yorks
Re: bird flu
« Reply #145 on: December 13, 2016, 03:09:16 pm »
During bad weather we boil potato skins, sometimes mix with meal.
Grated carrots etc ?

ColinS

  • Joined Dec 2016
Re: bird flu
« Reply #146 on: December 13, 2016, 06:05:48 pm »
We have “Mixed poultry grain” from the local feed merchant ( wheat, barley and maize in what proportion I know not) and that goes down just fine at the rate of about 200g/day/goose or a bit less. From what happens when one has free reign in the veg patch I reckon broccoli leaves would be very welcome!
 
With the steady rain we keep getting here clearing the water pooling on top of the tarp is getting to be a regular exercise. And if we do get the flu in the wild birds this water could be a dilute H5N8 soup if a passing sick dicky-bird has pooped on the tarp on his way over so I guess we need to treat it as such from now on or it's all a waste of time.
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lord flynn

  • Joined Mar 2012
Re: bird flu
« Reply #147 on: December 13, 2016, 07:44:42 pm »
My geese previously got goose and duck pellets as well as free ranging. Since they have been shut in they aren't really eating and seem very depressed. They aren't even making any noise. Does anyone have any ideas what I could tempt them with?


peas (normal or micronised), maize, apples, spring greens and mine are having some wheat in a shallow water bucket (in water).


some on FB are soaking grass pellets that you can feed horses but I've not tried that-if feeding greens etc also provide some grit.

Hevxxx99

  • Joined Sep 2012
Re: bird flu
« Reply #148 on: December 13, 2016, 07:49:38 pm »
I'm at a loss about what I can do about this.
I thought about putting chicken wire over the top of the duck run, but that wouldn't really be sufficient, would it? Yet anything more solid, e.g. tarpaulin, would get shredded by the wind in a matter of hours.
If I simply lock them into their house, they will have no light and no pond. Plus the house is 'cosy' to start with.

Put a tarpaulin/opened-out old feed sacks or whatever on and then put the chicken wire over the top to make a tarp sandwich. It stops everything blowing around and getting shredded.

Dave C

  • Joined Aug 2014
  • Teesdale, Co Durham
Re: bird flu
« Reply #149 on: December 13, 2016, 07:57:12 pm »
We have “Mixed poultry grain” from the local feed merchant ( wheat, barley and maize in what proportion I know not) and that goes down just fine at the rate of about 200g/day/goose or a bit less. From what happens when one has free reign in the veg patch I reckon broccoli leaves would be very welcome!
 
With the steady rain we keep getting here clearing the water pooling on top of the tarp is getting to be a regular exercise. And if we do get the flu in the wild birds this water could be a dilute H5N8 soup if a passing sick dicky-bird has pooped on the tarp on his way over so I guess we need to treat it as such from now on or it's all a waste of time.

Wedge a stick under the tarp to make a tent so the rain runs off.

My feed bill is going through the roof with them not free ranging, I'm emptying the veg garden putting veg in with roots and stalks still on to give them some interest and break there Bordem.

 

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