[Stereo]

Poultry one is here, £105

http://www.fgclassified.com/112855-the-brno-gun-uk-new-poultry-stunner/details.html



This is the website:

http://captiveboltstunners.com

I have the larger one for cattle etc

Thanks for this.

[Clansman]

A single shot handgun for despatching wounded deer etc would require a FAC, might be that?

[chrismahon]

We use a full power air pistol for the small or young chickens and a full power air rifle for larger or older. We have had instances were we have only stunned and not killed (no convulsions, just goes limp). This has needed a second shot. Problem is the brain is only small and easily missed. The problem would be exactly the same with a captive bolt I think. We already had the air weapons for vermin control.


Previously we used a wall mounted dispatcher, but read that it doesn't kill immediately. I have to say we have always had the same convulsions immediately as we now get with the air weapons, so not sure there is anything wrong with a wall mounted dispatcher SET CORRECTLY of course and perhaps that's the reason why it has gone out of favour? Is it that sometimes they aren't set correctly? It depends on the size of the neck and needs fine adjustment.

[waterbuffalofarmer]

Poultry one is here, £105

http://www.fgclassified.com/112855-the-brno-gun-uk-new-poultry-stunner/details.html



This is the website:

http://captiveboltstunners.com

I have the larger one for cattle etc

Thanks for this.

How much did you pay for the cattle stunner?

[Clansman]

£225

it takes 9mm blanks and strangely enough when I spoke to the guy about them prior to purchase he said they are being used on water buffalo in the UK.

You may well know the place that uses it? I don't imagine there are many of them. 

[SallyintNorth]

Previously we used a wall mounted dispatcher, but read that it doesn't kill immediately. I have to say we have always had the same convulsions immediately as we now get with the air weapons, so not sure there is anything wrong with a wall mounted dispatcher SET CORRECTLY of course and perhaps that's the reason why it has gone out of favour? Is it that sometimes they aren't set correctly? It depends on the size of the neck and needs fine adjustment.

My own feeling is that there has been confusion about devices which crush the neck and those which disclocate and snap the cord, and both are now tarred with the same brush.

[Clansman]

A lot of them are similar I think Sally.

a wall mounted dispatcher that just holds the neck so the dislocation can be done by stretching the birds neck is a good aid.

The type that kill the bird by pushing the lever down on its neck are a crush type and should not be used.

Dislocation should always take place by stretching the neck.

[SallyintNorth]

The type that kill the bird by pushing the lever down on its neck are a crush type and should not be used.

Dislocation should always take place by stretching the neck.

The type I have used do have a lever but do not crush.  The way the jaws come together, the one side gets between two vertebrae and dislocates, does not crush.  This is where I think the confusion has arisen.

[Clansman]

how do you position it between two vertebrae? which one do you use?

If the dislocation is not caused by the physical stretching of the neck then it's a crush and not a humane method according to the HSA

I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, I don't strictly adhere to all the recommendations etc myself, just trying to highlight the topic 

The HSA also say that decapitation is not a recommended method as brain activity can be present for up to 30 seconds afterwards...

I can't say I agree with that one, especially if the bird is stunned first, really how much quicker and deader can you kill something then by instantaneously removing its head 

[Clansman]

If you use the diagram from the HSA site, you can see the brain is pretty much between the eyes and the ears, if using an bullet/pellet shoot directly down through the centre of the head between the eye and ear to hit the brain.

I use .22 pellet now after having a few .177 pellets passed straight through the head

[waterbuffalofarmer]

£225

it takes 9mm blanks and strangely enough when I spoke to the guy about them prior to purchase he said they are being used on water buffalo in the UK.

You may well know the place that uses it? I don't imagine there are many of them. 

Yea the guy I use used bolt guns, but apparently under new legislation water buffalo need a special bolt gun for the front of the head, as their skull is really thick.

[chrismahon]

Gail Damerow (Storey's Guide to Raising Chickens) suggests shooting a .22 round into the rear of the head from just above the eyes is the best method of despatch. That ties in with the diagram Clansman helpfully posted. Seems my point of aim has been wrong!

[Clansman]

Captive bolt stunners don't require a firearm certificate, anyone over 18 can buy and use one.

Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. I wonder how I got my wires crossed then.

Think i've found the cause of your crossed wires. 

They used to be Section 1 FAC, they were declassified in 1998 

[Clansman]

£225

it takes 9mm blanks and strangely enough when I spoke to the guy about them prior to purchase he said they are being used on water buffalo in the UK.

You may well know the place that uses it? I don't imagine there are many of them. 

Yea the guy I use used bolt guns, but apparently under new legislation water buffalo need a special bolt gun for the front of the head, as their skull is really thick.

Funnily enough I was on the phone to Mike at Calton Moor today ordering more blanks for mine so I asked him about this.

They now have a larger powered 9mm blank especially for water buffalo, big bulls etc so these are still legal to use on water buffalo as long as the higher powered cartridge is used.

The ones I use for pigs are the Red type, they will do anything up to cattle and horses, the Yellow type are for the heavy stuff, big bulls, water buffalo etc

[waterbuffalofarmer]

£225

it takes 9mm blanks and strangely enough when I spoke to the guy about them prior to purchase he said they are being used on water buffalo in the UK.

You may well know the place that uses it? I don't imagine there are many of them. 

Yea the guy I use used bolt guns, but apparently under new legislation water buffalo need a special bolt gun for the front of the head, as their skull is really thick.

Interesting..... How much would it cost though?

Funnily enough I was on the phone to Mike at Calton Moor today ordering more blanks for mine so I asked him about this.

They now have a larger powered 9mm blank especially for water buffalo, big bulls etc so these are still legal to use on water buffalo as long as the higher powered cartridge is used.

The ones I use for pigs are the Red type, they will do anything up to cattle and horses, the Yellow type are for the heavy stuff, big bulls, water buffalo etc