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macgro7

  • Joined Feb 2016
  • Leicester
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #255 on: August 12, 2016, 07:39:10 am »
Out of six silver dorking eggs only 1 hatched. That's was Friday.  Today in the morning it was dead. Sooooooo disappointed.

Did you have other breeds in there ?
If so what did you end up with ?
I had indian game. None hatched.
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Dave C

  • Joined Aug 2014
  • Teesdale, Co Durham
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #256 on: August 12, 2016, 09:18:48 am »
Oh no mate bet your gutted  !!!

I had a really bad hatch on my last batch of IG only getting 2 but that was down to Incy problems.

I've put 24 IG eggs in Wednesday so hoping for some better results  :fc:

macgro7

  • Joined Feb 2016
  • Leicester
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #257 on: August 12, 2016, 07:38:52 pm »
Those were all ebay eggs...
No more ebay eggs. If they were my own eggs I'm sure many would hatch.
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Dave C

  • Joined Aug 2014
  • Teesdale, Co Durham
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #258 on: August 13, 2016, 07:09:38 pm »
Normally I would be able to sort you out with IG but I'm replenishing stock this year, but hopefully I will have enough chicks after this next hatch  :fc:

Bramham Wiltshire Horns

  • Joined Oct 2014
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Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #259 on: August 14, 2016, 10:58:51 am »
14 weeks old
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Bramham Wiltshire Horns

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Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #260 on: August 14, 2016, 11:00:34 am »
IG X
They do seem to have grown a bit now they are separated from the others
Seem to be filling out
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snowyriver

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Montgomeryshire
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #261 on: August 14, 2016, 03:33:54 pm »
Hi all.
I'm following this topic with interest as it's my project for next year. I've some true utility line light sussex (Hams/Smith) now 3 weeks old and some indian game (from ebay eggs 6 from 12 eggs and 1 from 11 eggs) now 10 and 7 weeks old.

i think 9 am going to seperate them the 2 breeds this evening this may give the LS cross a kick they need
I have separated the groups into 2 pens
Did you separate these growers by breed or by sex?
« Last Edit: August 14, 2016, 03:58:11 pm by snowyriver »

Bramham Wiltshire Horns

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Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #262 on: August 14, 2016, 04:26:47 pm »
I split into breeds
I tried weighing today but scales where playing up

I have hams lines
Be interesting to know who smith is please

Is it your first time with them?


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snowyriver

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Montgomeryshire
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #263 on: August 14, 2016, 06:19:13 pm »
Yes, this is the first time with utility light sussex.
I purchased a breeding trio of utility birds (Hams bred cockerel onto Smith bred pullets) and have, 3 weeks ago, hatched 13 live chicks from 14 fertile eggs. I have also been in contact with Graham Bellingham with regards to purchasing hatching eggs from his Fred Hams line early in 2017.

I'm told that Nick Smith (http://www.practicalpoultry.com/news/303-sussex-supremo-retires) and Fred Hams are/have been the leading light in utility light sussex breeding for many years.

The reason I asked the initial question about separating the growers by breed or by sex, was that 2 of the chicks in your 2nd photo this morning seem to have pea combs and blotchier feather markings, which could suggest they are IGxLS males.

My intention was to use a jubilee indian game cockerel over light sussex pullets to produce a white feathered bird which looks cleaner when dressed, but of my indian game chicks which hatched from 2 different sources, the 2 dark indian game growers were over 200g heavier each than the jubilee and blue chicks at 9 weeks. Is there a growth pattern amongst the 3 colours, or just the way it's happened with these few?

Keep up the good work, as I'm sure there are quite a few of us watching from the wings. 
« Last Edit: August 14, 2016, 06:24:00 pm by snowyriver »

Bramham Wiltshire Horns

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Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #264 on: August 14, 2016, 07:28:26 pm »
That explains a lot actually I was inspecting them 2 days ago and had a feeling I had missed judged the birds as I hatched all together, I was querying the combs myself combs
My first time with meat birds and got these off graham Bellingham
So will all the brown birds be pullets

Well that's interesting all my spreadsheets are wrong ha ha ????????
Not to worry I will re-calculate it


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snowyriver

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Montgomeryshire
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #265 on: August 14, 2016, 07:46:03 pm »
I was merely asking and certainly not telling you about your own birds.

I'm also new to this and believe Graham Bellingham would be the person to ask about feather colouring and combs on the offspring from this cross, but yes, I would expect the cockerels from a dark indian game x light sussex to be white and the pullets to be brown, both with pea combs and the sussex black neck and tail, but I can't tell you for certain that it will happen like that.

Don't recalculate anything until you know for sure.

Bramham Wiltshire Horns

  • Joined Oct 2014
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Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #266 on: August 14, 2016, 09:02:29 pm »
No I won't but it will be interesting to know I have messaged Grahame
If correct then the IGx that I didn't think was doing OK are actually doing pretty well ha

I'm happy you mentioned it to be honest
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Bramham Wiltshire Horns

  • Joined Oct 2014
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Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #267 on: August 14, 2016, 11:50:01 pm »
Seems you was right
They can be crosses
Thanks for bringing it up

It makes me more positive about the weights

Thanks
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Victorian Farmer

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Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #268 on: August 15, 2016, 12:09:18 am »
John leach  utility roads and  shaws trap tested flok .will give you size .Its important to no egg numbers . I'm glad that you are getting results .As most no iv done most breeds for meat and eggs .But naw I give half a way to get them dressed .Nothing better than own chickin.keep up the good work .

Dave C

  • Joined Aug 2014
  • Teesdale, Co Durham
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #269 on: August 15, 2016, 09:06:21 am »
I was merely asking and certainly not telling you about your own birds.

I'm also new to this and believe Graham Bellingham would be the person to ask about feather colouring and combs on the offspring from this cross, but yes, I would expect the cockerels from a dark indian game x light sussex to be white and the pullets to be brown, both with pea combs and the sussex black neck and tail, but I can't tell you for certain that it will happen like that.

Don't recalculate anything until you know for sure.

I seem to remember saying that about 5 pages ago  :innocent:  :D

Will make your spreadsheet look better  :thumbsup:

 

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