[SteveHants]

Fishing wire with hooks strapped across our canal banks to trap ducks.

Different cultures have some very different views on food & animals. Unfortunately too many Brits cannot get their heads around it.

I hate to dissapoint you - but British kids did that to ducks when I was a nipper, sadly. And I don't think its like the Chinese to waste the whole rest of a carcase, oe the Eastern Eurpoeans for that matter - its some effing weirdo group or another, I reckon or kids.


And they do, but as others have said, his is not part of the Muslim, Jewish, Sikh or Hindu cultures, yet people point the finger at them first because...... They probably read the Daily Mail too much. A paper, which, lest we forget, in the late 30s thought Adolf was a jolly sensible chap and that Mosley would 'sort Britain out'....

[Fowgill Farm]

I posted it more to warn people to be on the look out for these sadistic bar stewards and to keep a close eye on their stock. It was not to point the blame at any particular culture or section of society. Its up to the police to catch the culprits and prosecute with all haste and for them to be sentenced to the maximum penalty whoever they are.
Mandy

[Victorian Farmer]

iff i found this being done i would shoot them no problem to the legs.

[in the hills]

Yes, thanks FF.    We did wonder when we discussed this last night, why they wouldn't have slit their throats first ...... to make the job easier if nothing else but whatever the details it's just abhorrent.

[Haylo-peapod]

Whoah guys, I certainly wasn't pointing the finger, I was just trying to fathom out a 'potential' motive for a very sick act.
 
As is pretty obvious now, I'm no expert on different religions and their eating preferences (note to self - do my homework before posting in future...) and clearly I got it wrong. I was obviously mistaken thinking that halal meat might have been on the menu for Diwali (and didn't click about throats not being slit either) and thought some chancers may have wanted to make a quick buck at this time of year.
 
So I plead 'Guilty' for being so dumb but 'Not Guilty' for the accusation of pointing the finger at the ethnic minorities as this certainly was NOT my intention.
 
So apologies everyone for causing an uproar and unintentionally distracting this thread from the horror of such a malicious act.
 
Let's hope they catch the perpetrators before any further suffering is caused.

[jaykay]

I'm impressed Haylo-P 

Yes, lets hope they catch the bŁ&@%#€$

[zwartbles]

Thought Diwali was Hindu, not Muslim ?
Still, there's odd buggers everywhere !Interestingly some abbatoirs that do Halal meat stun first anyway. The important thing is that they are blessed and are alive when their throats are cut, which stunned animals are. Our friend used to play them a tape with a blessing from the local priest. Most supermarket meat available is actually Halal as it makes it acceptable for a wider customer base.

[Odin]

I don't buy or read news papers, just use them to scrunch up to light my coal fire. Neither do I walk around wearing a pair of rose tinted glasses. I live in the multi-cultural connorbation once known as the West Riding of Yorkshire, run by councils whos' only qualification is that of Liberal Elite Champagne Socialist. Tried working for our council once, I lasted a month . Always the same old Unison Mantra....Daily Mail, Hitler ... blah blah blah Guardian nonsense. 

I work and trade with most popular cultures on a daily basis and we are all expected to pay the Gold Plated Pensions of the Council and all share similar views based on our experiences. Disappointed , me , seen too much of the third world and when the worse elements tip up here I am never surprised. You want to see them fight over water or boiled sweets.

Unfortunately the only safe farm animals will be the ones inside a building.   

[Victorian Farmer]

it do sent matter or is to blame the point is this is a bad thing to do .people are skint no money so lots of bad things are happening iv seen a groups of lads killing a cat video of cu ting its head of swans shot with Cross BO it makes me sick that people can do this .There is some think wrong with society to day .The UK border agency immigration are letting all sorts of people  in the UK and bad things are happening.

[SallyintNorth]

Interestingly some abbatoirs that do Halal meat stun first anyway.

I think that legally, all abbatoirs stun first anyway.

[Victorian Farmer]

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[jaykay]

I think that legally, all abbatoirs stun first anyway

Not so.

the association of non-stun abbaboirs

What I hate about our country is that we don't stick to our principles. If we believe that animals should be stunned before being killed, then we do, regardless or whether or not some people want not to do that. We just seem to roll over and give in 

[SteveHants]

As far as I was aware, most halal slaughter was pre-stun, because most muslims don't mind pre-stun (they usually follow the guidance/veiwpoint of their imam, and this varies - I did halal fish when I was working at a trout farm), but kosher meat cannot be pre-stunned,  therefore some abbatoirs must be non-stun.

[jaykay]

therefore some abbatoirs must be non-stun

Well - there some people who want there to be non-stun abattoirs.

But if there are, that doesn't meet my needs - which is to know that animals are not having their throats slit, fully sentient.

Why does an outdated set of cultural practices, attached to a religion, take precedence over that?

Why is it my values that have to be compromised, not those of certain Muslims and Jews?

Incidentally, I'm as woolly liberal as you get, so I'm sort of uncomfortable hearing myself saying this. But I think the fact that we bend over backwards to accommodate all creeds, means we don't stand up for the things we think are right.

[in the hills]

   I'm totally with you on that Jaykay. Makes a nonsense out of the law.


I am all for people following their beliefs/keeping cultures alive, provided it is within the laws of our land. If it is necessary for animal welfare then it is necessary ..... full stop. How can you pick and choose?