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colliewoman

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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2012, 10:44:17 pm »
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good thinking.  an old polytunnel/ wind tunnel im thinking....




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SallyintNorth

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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2012, 06:09:39 am »
I can't see why the poo of any animal couldn't be burnt - but yes, maybe best to stick to herbivores...  BH's niece did Everest Base Camp a couple of years back, she said they had great long sausages of yak poo drying on the mountainsides which they would use as fuel.


The first lot we used had just dried on the floor in the stable - bad me, never did the last muck out when I turned them out for the summer.  When I wanted the stable for something else, I saw the cobs had dried on the floor, so rather than composting them I just popped 'em in a bucket and we burned 'em.

The second lot we burned I'd collected in the field when the weather was dry (when was that? :o :gloomy: - maybe March? or we had another few hot dry days in May I think), picked up the drier cobs and put them in a bucket.  Stopped when the bucket was fulll as it was just an experiment.

The latter lot, the cobs at the bottom of the bucket weren't totally solid, you could still break them open and the insides were... not moist, but not totally dry, IYKWIM.  But they burned just the same.


I don't know that people would need horse poo in briquettes, Karen - the cobs my ponies do are just about the same size and similar shape to the coal cobs you get nowadays, so we found them easy enough to have in a bucket next to the fire, and throw a few on as required.


In terms of how they burn, they have been used for the following:
  • get a smouldering fire going again - they did catch easily and burn well, so they did help lift a fire from the embers.  I'd want to do a bit more experimenting before saying you just throw a few horse cobs on and wait, I don't think we tried them on their own to revitalise a dying fire
  • keep a fire in overnight - the evenings we used horse poo, the fire stayed warm all night and there were warm embers in the morning that could've been reignited easily.  Other nights, with no horse poo, the fire is always cold by morning.
  • we didn't try burning horse poo on its own - it'd be worth trying, we just didn't try it; we added it to other fuel.  Both wood and wood-and-coal burned significantly better (brighter and hotter) and hours longer with horse poo added
I wish we had tried horse poo alone now - I'll try that next time.  I was more excited about the way it will eke out your existing fuel - a little bit of coal will go a much longer way with horse poo added, horse poo will get wood which isn't burning too well going and keep it burning; and horse poo keeps the fire and room lovely and warm while you're out doing some work, so you come back to a much warmer house and less to do to lift the fire than without the horse poo.  Similarly, if you like a fire full time, it'll keep the fire going overnight and be easier to restart in the morning.


Having proven the concept, it's the wholescale drying that's got me thinking...   :thinking:   I can see how to dry smallish amounts, but I think we'll allocate a bay in the wood shed, pile good poos in there and see how it does.  Once you've a system going, you'd be burning last year's pile while making this year's, I suppose. 

The polytunnel idea is awesome.  We don't have a polytunnel, but our neighbours do, they also have poines stabled overnight year round...  I don't know if they grow things in the 'tunnel through the winter  :thinking:   :idea: I guess we can spread poo out on the floor of cattle shed over the spring / summer, in the gap between lambing and cattle turn-out and when we start stacking hay everywhere...  Yesss, I can see that working ;D

In terms of drying 'free horse manure' - which is probably stable muckings out, including shavings, straw, etc - the mix is a compostable mix, so it would compost rather than dry unless you spread it out somewhere, like deep's fencing panels.
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tizaala

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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2012, 07:09:29 am »
Gabi has a 'friend' ( hard to believe I know) who's meglomaniacle ,control freak of a husband has made her live in the back of an old Transit for the last 12 years while he works on his great invention, he drags this machine round the sewage farms trying to dry turds to use as fuel in power stations, he's convinced that industrial spy's are following him trying to photograph his work, basically its a heated conveyor belt and it burns £90 worth of diesel  to try a ton of turds to 30% moisture content, so not cost effective .
She is not allowed to use a telephone in-case the phone is hacked, and every few months he rents a different isolated barn to park the Transit in to hide away from 'spy's' she had to sell her house to support his invention , and he made her sell her lovely Arab mare to raise more cash. his obsession with s**t drying is lunacy.
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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2012, 07:25:08 am »
Tiz, are you sure it's safe for you to tell that story?  :roflanim:

Surely the large-scale solution would be to use the ambient heat in the power-generating plant to dry the manure? ::)  Not an entirely socially acceptable solution on a household scale but perfectly practical in a power plant, one would have thought.

I am hating some of the larger scale power solutions at the moment.  These anaerobic digesters are sending all the cattle indoors, breaking up farms to use fields to spread effluent then reap another green crop to - wait for it - not to feed the housed cattle, oh no, they go straight into the d**n*d digester  :o  Hateful, stupid, wasteful systems.  At this rate we'll be self-sufficient in power but have no food to cook or eat. :rant:

So I'd worry about the longer term of a commercial horse poo-powered power plant.  Rows and rows of tied-up ponies, munching their way through I don't know what fodder, pooping onto a conveyer belt...  :tired:
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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2012, 07:32:05 am »
 
I must say I am intrigued at the possibility of my four poo factory’s actually contributing to the household. It’s quite an exciting concept. Don’t know how I would explain it to my friends though. They think I am slightly weird anyway. Going to direct other half to this post. As a true frugal Scotsman he will no doubt like the possibility of free heating.  ;D
 
I would like to know how much heat can be achieved. I think it was mentioned before that it burns alongside wood. Is this the most efficient way to burn? How much is needed in comparison to wood alone?
 
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SallyintNorth

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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2012, 08:58:34 am »
I would like to know how much heat can be achieved. I think it was mentioned before that it burns alongside wood. Is this the most efficient way to burn? How much is needed in comparison to wood alone?

I think we were perhaps not very scientific in what we did... 

We have quite a lot of wood that isn't the best for burning - maple, for instance; if only all the windfall were ash!  A handful of horse cobs alongside a burner-ful of maple will give a really good long-lasting burn, whereas the maple alone will quickly become a cool fire that could take some reinvigorating.

If I had ash to burn, I wouldn't use horse poo alongside it; it doesn't need it.

And BH has confirmed he did reignite dying embers with horse poo alone - it took a while (but they were very low, he says) but he does think you could make a fire of horse poo alone and it would burn well, hot and long.

We didn't do anything quantitative, though - sorry.

I guess I had about 2 stable buckets' full, and we burned that over the period of about a week, alongside wood and coal.  We were warmer, and for longer, and burnt less wood and less coal during that week.  We only light the multi-fuel in the evening, when we have our supper, and let it go out after we go to bed.

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Berkshire Boy

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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2012, 09:35:57 am »
If we all got rid of our horses we could afford coal. :roflanim:
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tizaala

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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2012, 09:50:58 am »
If we all got rid of our horses we could afford coal. :roflanim:
So if you cost the horse food out over a week , how much boiler fuel could you buy with the same amount of money ?

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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2012, 09:56:06 am »
But the coal etc does not snicker every time it sees you, understands when you feel down and nuzzles you gentle etc. so with keeping horses and use the manure for heating you get it all, the enjoyment and love and cheap fuel.
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Berkshire Boy

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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2012, 10:06:43 am »
That is very true Tiz, the horses are my wife's and she recons a better idea would be to get rid of me and she could afford to heat all of Wales.
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SallyintNorth

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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2012, 12:28:34 pm »
Our Fells and Dales use about 10 acres of rough grazing year round, and maybe £150-£200 quid's worth of hay and straw over the winter. 

I bet I can get as much or more warmth from their poo as I could from 1T of coal!  And be much greener, and enjoy the ponies too.   ;D
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mintytwoshoes

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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2012, 12:55:17 pm »
Hi everyone,
It has been such a revelation from my first posting of the advert for free manure!!  I have been telling my husband for a long time we should burn it on the wood burner but he was not that excited about the prospect!!!  Thank you so much for giving me evidence!!!
Manure is still available for anyone who would like it though as we have a continual supply.






Welshcob

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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2012, 01:11:21 pm »
Have been reading this thread with interest and wondered: I guess grass-fed summer poo would take longer to dry as the "bits" are never as solid as in winter?
My horses summer poo sometimes resembled cow pats because they loved stuffing their faces with fresh grass (You'd think I starved them, big fatties  ::)).

The fact that you can use horse waste as fire enhancer will be another argument to convince the OH we NEED a horse. Especially since he loves 1) fires and 2) saving money. In fact, giving we'd like to live in Orkney or Shetland where there's no wood, this means I NEED more than one equine!!!  :innocent:

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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2012, 01:15:05 pm »
I was thinking that when we get our place we should have one of the log burning boilers to get away from gas. Wonder if this would work with it?

The OH was sceptical about log boilers unless we managed to get some woodland with or very near the land. We could have horses on the land instead  :excited:

I especially like the idea of being able to use the ash to put the goodness back into the land. Nice system with no waste!

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Re: horse manure as fuel.
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2012, 02:29:15 pm »
I was thinking that when we get our place we should have one of the log burning boilers to get away from gas. Wonder if this would work with it?
Dans
When we built our house we briefly looked into log burning/wood pellets boilers, but the problem is that the local (Scottish Borders) supply at the time was non-existent (7 years ago now). May have changed now.
If you move to the countryside, you are quite likely to have an oil fred central heating system anyway.  A multi-fuel stove is a good add-on, and we have so far not used our central heating.

 

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