[kingnigel]

Well, I passed on your ideas.  The dominance thing sounds good, she says, but the only time he does this is actually during a race and she thinks she would be disqualified if she threw him to the ground and lay on top of him! 

for some strange reason i think it would be classed as abuse, cant imagine why (no sarcasm emoticon).

http://cani-cross.co.uk/cc_rules.shtml#responsibilities

its the last line of the your responsibilities section.

i think this sort of behaviour would bring a disqualification from the event and possibly a ban from all future events.


kn

[doganjo]

i think this sort of behaviour would bring a disqualification from the event and possibly a ban from all future events.


kn

Yup, I would agree.  I didn't realise he only does it while on an event.  She can't discipline him there.  Try the squealing and the longer harnes line.  Don't think tehy can discipline you fro that.  And try to get him to do it on a training run.

[SallyintNorth]

I didn't realise he only does it while on an event.  ... try to get him to do it on a training run.

isn't that entrapment?   

Seriously, she has tried to incite him to do it (without appearing to condone it; not sure how she managed that!) - and he won't, it obviously has a lot to do with the atmosphere of, and presumeably all the other dogs and people at, an actual race.

[Sandy]

Like people, some dogs are just over excitable and have to be kept calm!!!!

[doganjo]

I agree to an extent, Sandy, but keeping a dog calm on an event such as these are - or on iditarods for example is extremely difficult.  I've been on a couple of them as a spectator and the dogs get really worked up.  I think it might be a case of a longer tie to give him a little more space, and lots and lots more experience.  SAturation might work! 

[kingnigel]

i race sibes as a team of dogs and i find it helps to keep them calm by training regularly, if i ease back on my training then the dogs become more excited when we do train/race. 4 training runs per week is about right for my lot and i would think canix would be pretty much the same. (is that saturation, doganjo )

as for other calming methods your friend could try using evening primrose oil (on the dog that is). it does have a calming effect but its not something we use apart from when we have bitches in season, it has helped take the edge off of the dogs during this period.

kn

[doganjo]

(is that saturation, doganjo )

Just about I'd say!  But it depends on the dog/team - what is calming for your Siberians might not be enough for a collie And definitely not enough for my Brits!

[sabrina]

Holding the dog down is not cruel, bitches do the very same thing to a naughty pup but at an event this is much more of a problem. what you need is someone to have a few training sessions with where you can enforce to your collie that you are the boss and biting is a no no. It is just over excitement which the dog has to learn to control. We all know training at home is nothing like doing an event but if you could simulate an event I would think your dog would learn quicker. Giving just how clever collies are.

[AengusOg]

WTF are 'sibes'?

[SallyintNorth]

WTF are 'sibes'?

I assumed Siberian Huskies?

[AengusOg]

Holding the dog down is not cruel, bitches do the very same thing to a naughty pup but at an event this is much more of a problem. what you need is someone to have a few training sessions with where you can enforce to your collie that you are the boss and biting is a no no. It is just over excitement which the dog has to learn to control. We all know training at home is nothing like doing an event but if you could simulate an event I would think your dog would learn quicker. Giving just how clever collies are.

I agree with this.

The relationship between dog and owner is, at the moment, tipped toward the dog being the dominant member. Subservient dogs do not bite superiors. If that is allowed to prevail, it may lead to other problems associated with hierarchy. The owner must address the problem by ensuring that the dog is in no doubt that it is number two in the pack order.

[kingnigel]

WTF are 'sibes'?

I assumed Siberian Huskies?

your assumption is correct

[kingnigel]

hi sabrina
if its not cruel, why not do it in public
kn

[doganjo]

hi sabrina
if its not cruel, why not do it in public
kn

Becasue Joe Public thinks it is, since they mostly do not train their dogs at all.

[kingnigel]

hi sabrina
if its not cruel, why not do it in public
kn

Becasue Joe Public thinks it is, since they mostly do not train their dogs at all.

im not joe public, i do train my dogs and my opinion is that the dog is no being aggressive, so why punish him, just to add i am not alone on this one

http://www.montrealdogblog.com/5532/5532/

punishing a dog if it is needed should be done in public if you can justify your actions, even joe public listens when given the facts, if this happened at an event and the dog was punished in the way you describe you would imo be banned from futher events, not because the public wouldnt like it, but because it is wrong.
kn

ps the link is just one of many, i have given my views, if your friend decides to sort this issue out, please let us know what method they used.
kn