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arobwk

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Re: Is veganism a threat to the planet? *** contentious ***
« Reply #105 on: February 23, 2020, 04:55:09 pm »
On the interesting subject of what to do with our bodies - rather than the boring subject of veganism - a US company is preparing to offer a human body composting service !!

Surely burial is simpler and doesn't require big composting chambers, heat, fuel etc, just a hole in the ground and Nature does the rest?

But burial just serves the local worms and any nearby junipers !
Not sure what the rules would be for using human body compost for plantings/mulching (compared to, say, humanure compost), but I do trust they will rattle out our bones before bagging up.

[ If the trend for micro gin distilleries keeps going, watch out for scrumping of juniper berries from your local cemetery any time soon ! ]
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Scarlet.Dragon

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Re: Is veganism a threat to the planet? *** contentious ***
« Reply #106 on: February 23, 2020, 06:05:01 pm »
On the interesting subject of what to do with our bodies - rather than the boring subject of veganism - a US company is preparing to offer a human body composting service !!

I have it written into my will that I'm to be fed to the pigs (i.e. properly recycled).  My lawyer wasn't happy with it, and apparently it isn't currently legal but if we really want to save the planet we need to think differently.  Why would it be ok for us to eat an animal but not ok for them to eat us?  Cremate me and I contribute to unnecessary waste of fuel and emissions; bury me and I'm taking up space that could be put to better use; chuck me in a ditch and I'll contaminate the water... feed me to the badgers or pigs and I'll be wholly recycled and have contributed something useful to the ecology lifecycle... and if you don't want to eat the pig that ate me, then feed me to a breeding boar and eat the offspring rather than the primary consumer! 
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arobwk

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Re: Is veganism a threat to the planet? *** contentious ***
« Reply #107 on: February 23, 2020, 09:33:30 pm »
On the interesting subject of what to do with our bodies - rather than the boring subject of veganism - a US company is preparing to offer a human body composting service !!

I have it written into my will that I'm to be fed to the pigs (i.e. properly recycled).  My lawyer wasn't happy with it, and apparently it isn't currently legal but if we really want to save the planet we need to think differently.  Why would it be ok for us to eat an animal but not ok for them to eat us?  Cremate me and I contribute to unnecessary waste of fuel and emissions; bury me and I'm taking up space that could be put to better use; chuck me in a ditch and I'll contaminate the water... feed me to the badgers or pigs and I'll be wholly recycled and have contributed something useful to the ecology lifecycle... and if you don't want to eat the pig that ate me, then feed me to a breeding boar and eat the offspring rather than the primary consumer! 

Ooo and umm - it's one way to go, but who are you expecting to dump your body into the "pig trough" and walk away to go brew up a cuppa while they wait for the piggies to do their thing before going back to retrieve the bony bits ??!!   :(
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Fleecewife

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Re: Is veganism a threat to the planet? *** contentious ***
« Reply #108 on: February 23, 2020, 10:13:46 pm »
On the interesting subject of what to do with our bodies - rather than the boring subject of veganism - a US company is preparing to offer a human body composting service !!

I have it written into my will that I'm to be fed to the pigs (i.e. properly recycled).  My lawyer wasn't happy with it, and apparently it isn't currently legal but if we really want to save the planet we need to think differently.  Why would it be ok for us to eat an animal but not ok for them to eat us?  Cremate me and I contribute to unnecessary waste of fuel and emissions; bury me and I'm taking up space that could be put to better use; chuck me in a ditch and I'll contaminate the water... feed me to the badgers or pigs and I'll be wholly recycled and have contributed something useful to the ecology lifecycle... and if you don't want to eat the pig that ate me, then feed me to a breeding boar and eat the offspring rather than the primary consumer!


Humans rarely eat carrion, so perhaps pigs wouldn't be all that keen to eat you either.  Rather like the vultures supposed to eat the human bodies left out for them - apparently they balk at the tough old ones and leave them to mummify in the sun.  I'm sure if death were not such a taboo topic then we could work out a much better and more efficient, earth friendly way to dispose of the dead.
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Buttermilk

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Re: Is veganism a threat to the planet? *** contentious ***
« Reply #109 on: February 24, 2020, 09:22:02 am »
On the interesting subject of what to do with our bodies - rather than the boring subject of veganism - a US company is preparing to offer a human body composting service !!

I have it written into my will that I'm to be fed to the pigs (i.e. properly recycled).  My lawyer wasn't happy with it, and apparently it isn't currently legal but if we really want to save the planet we need to think differently.  Why would it be ok for us to eat an animal but not ok for them to eat us?  Cremate me and I contribute to unnecessary waste of fuel and emissions; bury me and I'm taking up space that could be put to better use; chuck me in a ditch and I'll contaminate the water... feed me to the badgers or pigs and I'll be wholly recycled and have contributed something useful to the ecology lifecycle... and if you don't want to eat the pig that ate me, then feed me to a breeding boar and eat the offspring rather than the primary consumer!
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Polyanya

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Re: Is veganism a threat to the planet? *** contentious ***
« Reply #110 on: February 25, 2020, 09:31:20 am »
Surely people aren't leaving their bodies for hounds - you are kidding right?
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Old Shep

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Re: Is veganism a threat to the planet? *** contentious ***
« Reply #111 on: February 27, 2020, 06:41:46 pm »
Still on the "bodies" subject,  I met someone last year who is working with a company on dissolving bodies rather than cremation, a much more environmentally friendly option.  Apparently it will happen!
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arobwk

  • Joined Nov 2015
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Re: Is veganism a threat to the planet? *** contentious ***
« Reply #112 on: February 27, 2020, 10:41:34 pm »
Still on the "bodies" subject,  I met someone last year who is working with a company on dissolving bodies rather than cremation, a much more environmentally friendly option.  Apparently it will happen!

Dissolving with what ??

Scarlet.Dragon

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Re: Is veganism a threat to the planet? *** contentious ***
« Reply #113 on: February 27, 2020, 11:59:37 pm »

Ooo and umm - it's one way to go, but who are you expecting to dump your body into the "pig trough" and walk away to go brew up a cuppa while they wait for the piggies to do their thing before going back to retrieve the bony bits ??!!   :(

I don't really care, whomever is feeding the pigs... and there are a good few pig farmers in this area that I reckon wouldn't baulk at the idea of saving some money by "free feed substitute"!  As for retrieving the bony bits, if my understanding is correct, then only pigs and badgers have the capability to completely digest bones, hair and teeth therefore there shouldn't be anything left to retrieve.
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SallyintNorth

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Re: Is veganism a threat to the planet? *** contentious ***
« Reply #114 on: February 28, 2020, 08:16:53 am »
One problem @Scarlet.Dragon - I doubt any of us is fit to enter the food chain :/
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Fleecewife

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Re: Is veganism a threat to the planet? *** contentious ***
« Reply #115 on: February 28, 2020, 11:38:44 am »
Yes, pigs don't leave much behind - just the wellies maybe?


Feeding humans, especially already dead ones therefore likely to have been ill, and to a closely related species such as the pig, would raise all sorts of problems for spread of disease.  We can see from China just how easy it is to fascilitate the evolution of cross species epidemics and even pandemics just by living too closely with those animals, and eating them is just asking for trouble.  Exposure to birds of prey and wild scavengers might be more acceptable, and would help those species to prosper (unless the 'body' died of bird 'flu!)
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Scarlet.Dragon

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Re: Is veganism a threat to the planet? *** contentious ***
« Reply #116 on: February 28, 2020, 06:02:21 pm »
One problem @Scarlet.Dragon - I doubt any of us is fit to enter the food chain :/

Probably some truth in that...  I'm not saying the  :pig: :pig: :pig: would be too happy about the offer but you never know!
Yes, pigs don't leave much behind - just the wellies maybe?


Feeding humans, especially already dead ones therefore likely to have been ill, and to a closely related species such as the pig, would raise all sorts of problems for spread of disease.  We can see from China just how easy it is to fascilitate the evolution of cross species epidemics and even pandemics just by living too closely with those animals, and eating them is just asking for trouble.  Exposure to birds of prey and wild scavengers might be more acceptable, and would help those species to prosper (unless the 'body' died of bird 'flu!)

Plenty of crows and buzzards round these parts, and foxes... but that still leaves the bones to dispose of, maybe the badgers will finish the job!
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Fleecewife

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Re: Is veganism a threat to the planet? *** contentious ***
« Reply #117 on: February 28, 2020, 07:35:51 pm »
Bone meal for the fruit and veggie patch  :garden:
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