[jameslindsay]

I don't reckon to argue with you Helen but I think snoopy is being bloody insulting.IS Snoopy of German extraction I wonder.Great Britain won the 2nd World  War but my GOD and I am an atheist they have won the Peace

You know Wizard it is with thoughts and comments such as you made above that there will always be wars in this world and lives and property will needlessly be destroyed. This is not a poltical forum and would remind people of that, we are all entitled to voice our opinions and granted not all the time people will like them. Snoopy has lots of friends on this site that I am sure will also be horrified by your comment. Please remember that this is a site that encourages the making of friendships and does not encourage bickering or racism.

[Wizard]

OH dear

[doganjo]

Julie obviously feels very strongly, and I have met her - she is very enthusiastic and a really nice person, and is UK not Irish born (that I know of anyway?) but I have to agree, Julie - we all have our own opinions and the forum is for discussion.  Perhaps you could explain to everyone why you are so adamant that the EU might be good for the UK, bearing in mind that things are a lot different over here than in Southern Ireland. Could you compare Eire with the UK maybe?

[Rosemary]

I don't reckon to argue with you Helen but I think snoopy is being bloody insulting.IS Snoopy of German extraction I wonder.Great Britain won the 2nd World  War but my GOD and I am an atheist they have won the Peace

I haven't looked at this for ages. This comment is inappropriate, IMHO. No problem with people discussing "non-smallholding" issuse (although the EU IS a smallholding issue, I suppose) but let's keep it clean, folks.

I enjoy the dabate and the discussion. It would take an awful lot to change me from a L to a S. I think we could have the benefits of the EU without the bureaucracy and the costs. What gets me is that what we've got isn't what we voted for way back. The EEC was about trade - now it's taken over our lives. I know I'm may be kidding myself that UK democracy is truly democratic (well, the lack of a vote on Scottish independence and the EU are two examples) but it's a damn sight better than Europe. IMHO

[RUSTYME]

I think the EU or ANY political discussion is valid , even on a smallholding site such as this . Try running any smallholding or even just have a couple of goats , without coming up against things that are governed by politics. The paperwork for one !!! But every other step is also controlled by politics/governments , so I think it is a valid discussion .
Also , look under the heading of the Coffee lounge title James !! See what it says   
I can see where George is coming from , being of , shall we say the slightly older generation ( no offence intended there George !!) . I can also understand where Julie is coming from , although I am of totally the opposite view with regards the EU . I am not anti Europe or Europeans , just anti EU , they are most definitely not the same , although some seem to confuse them  .
 Politics controls our lives at every step these days , and the people that don't like talking about them ...well don't  !! Others who see things changing and have an opinion on them , would rather talk about them , and that is where differences will always occur .
 As some of you may know , I have certain thoughts ,and voice them sometimes . Sometimes people disagree with those thoughts/comments. No problem ..sometimes things get a bit heated , again no problem . If I feel a line has been over stepped I say so , in a straight clear manner . If it goes any further , IE personal !!, then  I offer to take it off public view and discuss privately . But no matter what anyone says about me or too me , I think ? , I am a fair person and don't hold grudges , I take it on the chin and move on .
 The trouble is we have become a Politically Correct world (I had to write it out in full to avoid saying " we are a PC world" , don't want any law suits  ), and dare not say anything that people have been brainwashed into thinking  racist or whatever.  Well I am of the old school and say what I think , it isn't intended to offend but if it does ...tough !! We are all meant to be grown ups  , and it is a big tough world out there ....  remember the saying ... "sticks and stones " ?
 

cheers

Russ
 

[Wizard]

You are so right Russ Can you translate F    U   Jack I'm Fire proof Holier than thou's P.c. correct Lets get back to proper English men and women we are NOT the Victorian World Rulers any more just a back yard outfit that their leaders think they are.Before long they won't have any thing to lead.Bring back Winnie he would not have stood by Yes I'm 73 Russ and know what my uncles fought for 

[Wizard]

Hello Russ I think the big problem is One tends to group them all as enemies and of course this is not so There are many fine lads I have associated and worked  with over the years who are German. When I was a teenager with my very good pal he was a German lad his brother was called Wolfgang I still have several pals who are Polish.It was Vince who taught me the art of smoking (food) but I couldn't get into his favourite food We used to go down the mill race at West an fork ells then smoke them Now that is definitely Tibetan Cow Let me assure you Russ Bonny crap to me.I still believe the EU will end Britain as Britain Next thing NO QUIDS  Euro's instead Look what it cost to change to Decimal.A third of a Quid was six shillings and eight pence.What is it now something akin to petrol at 120.9p  per ltr

[Hellybee]

L L L all the way, i cant argue the toss like the rest of you abut all i know iss that we should never ever enter the Euro and would be best off out of this big brother, do as i say not as i do mentality.

Im not negative, i just believe that we really should look inwards and support our nation, we can do with out it all. 

[Wizard]

My word Helly You don't need to argue the point To me you are 100% right.Don't think the Canadians or the Maori's will put them selves about to help after the way they were treated

[RUSTYME]

yes I know what you mean George mate ...I do the same sometimes , when , for example , talking about the EU . I will mention the Germans ... now I mean the German government ...NOT ALL GERMANS !!! They are same as you and me .... It is their government that is corrupt and not doing what their people want them to do , the same as ours.
 I have a German Auntie who was in the Hitler Youth . She isn't a bad person . You could argue that the Hitler youth was somewhat similar to the scouts ...but sadly run by terrible people with ulterior motives . The doctrine , as time went on, changed also . But although she was a member of the HY , I don't blame her for my uncles being killed by German soldiers , no more than I blame the ordinary people of Germany now.  
 I don't think any comments you made are of the sort to cause war or death and destruction in any way . Your comments were your opinion and no more than that . But I do think that politicians ignoring the people and consistently lying to them about reasons for Invading other countries does cause death and destruction even as we sit here now it is still going on .
Also the Eutopia that we are told is the EU ( I do know how to spell Utopia), seems to be based on, lets all get together and then we have a bigger stick to hit the US with !!! or China !! or whoever ? Is that Eutopia ?  If it is , I was in utopia when I was in school , and didn't know it .... 'My gangs is bigger than yours and can kick the crap out of you !!' MMMM I didn't join any gang then , nor will I now , if given a choice.
 We have been lied to about the EU  every step of the way ... but there again one of the leaders of the EU quoted Hitler/Goebbels " lie to the people long enough, and in the end , they will believe it. " he also added " when they realise it,  it will be too late for them to do anything about it , we will have control !! " , democracy eh ?
 This seems to be the mentality of many EU leaders ...Sarkozy said when asked about Irelands no vote on the Lisbon treaty ( EU law stated that if one nation state voted no, the treaty would be dropped/void !! ), "they will have to vote again until they vote YES" , then asked about the EU law he said  "We will change it !!"

cheers

Russ
 
  

[Wizard]

Russ.A little thought very little.If you are coming up the street with a 2X2 in your hand I am not likely to attack you.By the same token if I have a 2X2 in my hand and you have a sword,I'm still not.Again if I have the sword and you have a hand gun.The same applies.My opinion only Hit him first take away his weapon and then explain to him the price of corn 

[RUSTYME]

lol... yep ...walk gently grasshopper....( mind you , look what happened to him ..ended up hanging himself in a wardrobe !!!)

cheers

Russ

[RUSTYME]

right, well, depending on your view of the EU , there could be some good, or bad news on the way very soon.
 It looks very much like the euro is going down the pan . In reality it has already . There may be a few ups and downs on the markets , but mostly the direction for the euro will be down .
As with things like this , the powers that be in the EU ,USA ,UK and so on, don't want this to happen , and will prop it up for as long as they can . But it looks like a return to national currencies is possibly on the way . 
 The fall of the euro could also mean the fall of the EU . Germany may have to pull out or at least change their commitment to it drastically . Spain , Portugal and Ireland , are in serious trouble , so to is the UK , but we are not in the eurozone . The EU trillion $ money printing escapade looks doomed to failure as was our £200 billion , and so too was the US' multi trillion $ printout.
 Now we have our elections over , as they have too in Germany NRW ,the cuts are about to begin , and they will be on a massive scale . Hyper inflation is a distinct possibility , even on the same scale as it was in Germany in the 1920's , where you could go to buy a loaf of bread with a wheelbarrow full of money , by the time you get there it costs two wheelbarrows full !!
 Has  the whole euro debacle has come to the end many people said it would do ?. Maybe the EU is next ?
 Hang on to your seats folks .... get ready for TSTHTF !!!!  on a massive scale . 

cheers

Russ
 

[Wizard]

You are no doubt right with your thoughts Russ and look what it has cost to go nowhere.Mind you some persons have feathered their nest(s) if some reports are to be believed

[Hellybee]

Tlaking of feathering nests from a US perspective, watch Michael Moores  Capitalism: A love story.