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Bramham Wiltshire Horns

  • Joined Oct 2014
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Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2016, 01:15:43 pm »
Very interesting
How much feed they using
Where did you get the sasso
From
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Dave C

  • Joined Aug 2014
  • Teesdale, Co Durham
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2016, 06:48:29 pm »
I get the Sasso's from S&T Poultry who import the eggs from France, they have a good website.

I haven't measured the feed this year as I'm rearing a few different breeds but last year I calculated each bird cost me £4.95 to buy and rear to Slaughter weight, which I was very happy with.

Bramham Wiltshire Horns

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Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2016, 08:29:26 pm »
Sounds good to me
I will have a look at that site
Cheers
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Bramham Wiltshire Horns

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Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #63 on: June 27, 2016, 11:19:26 am »
here is a comparison of week 6 and 7 weigh in
the results ive found are below

most birds have grown this week by an average of 62g apart from bird
bird 1102 that was 0.8kg last week and lost 18g so will keep an eye on that one she was eating yesterday
bird 1101 was the top weight gain putting on an impressive 85g
bird 1103 has constantly been under average but had the 2nd best weight gain with 84g

   BATCH 1, 6 WEEK 3 DAY WEIGH IN (KG)      
ID   LIGHT SUSSEX   IG X LS    ID
1100   0.725                      0.725    1106
1101   0.765                      0.631    1107
1102   0.800                      0.720    1108
1103   0.686                      0.673    1109
1104   0.714                      0.675    1110
1105   0.930       
         
         
LOWEST WEIGHT    0.686    0.631    
TOP WEIGHT    0.930    0.725    
AVERAGE WEIGHT   0.770    0.685    

         
   BATCH 1, 7 WEEK 3 DAY WEIGH IN (KG)      
ID   LIGHT SUSSEX   IG X LS    ID
1100   0.791                      0.788    1106
1101   0.850                      0.698    1107
1102   0.782                      0.758    1108
1103   0.770                      0.742    1109
1104   0.770                      0.727    1110
1105   0.983       
         
         
LOWEST WEIGHT    0.770    0.698    
TOP WEIGHT    0.983    0.788    
AVERAGE WEIGHT   0.824    0.743    


i have attactched a copule of colour coded documents
could you let me know if you can open and read them
feel free to use them if it allows but just becareful you dont delete any formulas
these documents will hopefully help with my selective breeding for next year

FYI this is an excell document

thanks
« Last Edit: June 27, 2016, 11:30:41 am by Princessrubyk »
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Dave C

  • Joined Aug 2014
  • Teesdale, Co Durham
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #64 on: June 28, 2016, 05:53:45 pm »
Hi Ruby, good data  :thumbsup:

I can see the 2 documents but there not showing any colour coding but I'm opening it on my phone if that makes a difference  :thinking:
Don't know I'm not very techy  :innocent:

That data is useful straight away with the show the hen loosing weight.
And the 85g gain in a week is cracking  :thumbsup:

Dave C

  • Joined Aug 2014
  • Teesdale, Co Durham
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2016, 09:07:39 pm »
Bit of boring info for you, ha.
I've been researching my Sasso hybrid meat birds to try and find a bit more info on there breeding and what to call them, understandably Sasso keep there breeding top secret and just call the Slow Grow a T551 and the Medium grow a X431A, as lovely names as they are I looked at what the Hatchery called them.
They call the Medium Grow a Farm Ranger which is ok, But the Slow Grow they call a Poulet Galouis (which I don't like) so translated it means Gallic Chicken, now Gallic was a ancient tribe similar to the Celts and the Gallic Rooster is the emblem of France.

So from now on I'm calling them and there offspring Gallic Chickens.

I like the shape of this Gallic Pullet on the left.














Any excuse to put up some pics  :innocent:

farmers wife

  • Joined Jul 2009
  • SE Wales
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #66 on: June 28, 2016, 10:00:56 pm »
Really enjoying reading this thread.  Im interesting in raising slow chicken with the best taste what do you recommend - not hatching just day olds. They will be raised on an organic system.  I assume you kill and dress on site?  Do you hang?  Are you raising just for yr own freezer?  I currently buy chicken from Everfields and paying £14 each so assume a good cost saving?

Bramham Wiltshire Horns

  • Joined Oct 2014
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Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #67 on: June 28, 2016, 10:40:58 pm »
Hi Dave great info about the sasso
I think I will give them a go once this group has been sorted

Ye if you can open the attachment on a laptop you will see the full data base it automatically update all data and colour codes
Once I have got to cull weight I will add cumulative feed and charts to it and then protect the fields that have formulas, I will post the spreadsheet for all to use

Hi farmers I have LS and some IG x LS first time project
I think these will be ready around 20 weeks
I will keep the best growing birds to breed from
I will also put a IG x LS back with LS cockerel and see how they get on

The good thing is you can experiment and eat what you won't use
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Bramham Wiltshire Horns

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Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2016, 10:48:04 pm »
P.s farmer

I recon I will come in at about £5 per bird that's including buying hatching eggs

So the next round of breeding will probably get me down to around £3-4 per bird
And should have a table weight of 2kg +
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Bramham Wiltshire Horns

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Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #69 on: June 28, 2016, 10:49:27 pm »
Bit of boring info for you, ha.
I've been researching my Sasso hybrid meat birds to try and find a bit more info on there breeding and what to call them, understandably Sasso keep there breeding top secret and just call the Slow Grow a T551 and the Medium grow a X431A, as lovely names as they are I looked at what the Hatchery called them.
They call the Medium Grow a Farm Ranger which is ok, But the Slow Grow they call a Poulet Galouis (which I don't like) so translated it means Gallic Chicken, now Gallic was a ancient tribe similar to the Celts and the Gallic Rooster is the emblem of France.

So from now on I'm calling them and there offspring Gallic Chickens.

I like the shape of this Gallic Pullet on the left.














Any excuse to put up some pics  :innocent:
[cracking looking birds]
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Dave C

  • Joined Aug 2014
  • Teesdale, Co Durham
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #70 on: June 29, 2016, 03:59:27 pm »
Hi Dave great info about the sasso
I think I will give them a go once this group has been sorted

Ye if you can open the attachment on a laptop you will see the full data base it automatically update all data and colour codes
Once I have got to cull weight I will add cumulative feed and charts to it and then protect the fields that have formulas, I will post the spreadsheet for all to use

Hi farmers I have LS and some IG x LS first time project
I think these will be ready around 20 weeks
I will keep the best growing birds to breed from
I will also put a IG x LS back with LS cockerel and see how they get on

The good thing is you can experiment and eat what you won't use

Princess Ruby, this spread sheet is excellent  :thumbsup:
Just need to work out how to save it now  :innocent:

« Last Edit: June 29, 2016, 04:18:05 pm by Dave C »

Dave C

  • Joined Aug 2014
  • Teesdale, Co Durham
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #71 on: June 29, 2016, 04:17:12 pm »
Really enjoying reading this thread.  Im interesting in raising slow chicken with the best taste what do you recommend - not hatching just day olds. They will be raised on an organic system.  I assume you kill and dress on site?  Do you hang?  Are you raising just for yr own freezer?  I currently buy chicken from Everfields and paying £14 each so assume a good cost saving?

Hi Farmers Wife, pleased you're enjoying the thread & hope to see you posting pics of your meat birds soon  :thumbsup:

The type to do depends on the time you would like to finish them in, I would keep away from very fast mature hybrids (some finish in 6/8 weeks) :yuck: like supermarket birds.
Slower growth costs more in time and feed but packs more flavour imo it will suit your free range style as well.
Yes mine are just for me & the family and will be processed at home.
I'm thinking this first batch will probably cost me £4.28 per bird depending on exactly when there ready but I'm also looking for a 2kg bird dressed.
I'm looking to try to create a sustainable flock which might not be the cheapest way to go as I will have winter feed costs, but it will be good fun experimenting  :excited:
I will then be looking to do more batches.

« Last Edit: June 29, 2016, 04:32:26 pm by Dave C »

Dave C

  • Joined Aug 2014
  • Teesdale, Co Durham
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #72 on: June 29, 2016, 04:30:39 pm »
P.S. Just checked my old record book and I have down that last year my Farm Rangers made between 4.5 - 5kg in 14 weeks and cost me £4.60 each.
But there's a lot of scribbles in there which I can't understand  :innocent:

Won't have this problem now I have this new spread sheet PR  :idea:  :thumbsup:

Dave C

  • Joined Aug 2014
  • Teesdale, Co Durham
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #73 on: July 01, 2016, 12:00:21 pm »
Some of My Buff Plymouth Rocks, they  are 6 weeks now
They have a decent shape but not much weight to them, now at 430g.




They are not in my project plans for next year but possibly later depending how things shape up.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2016, 12:11:11 pm by Dave C »

Dave C

  • Joined Aug 2014
  • Teesdale, Co Durham
Re: Breeding for Meat or Eggs
« Reply #74 on: July 03, 2016, 04:35:36 pm »
Been thinking about a movable pen for a while for a breeding group of chickens or Lambs etc.
Picked this 50mtr Of Electric Poultry Netting with gate & energiser for £50.
Bargain  wink.gif






 

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