Author Topic: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx  (Read 17726 times)

verdifish

  • Joined Jan 2013
  • banffshire
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2015, 06:41:46 pm »
I wonder If it was to happen if the big pussy cats will get to the Aberdeenshire borders and know that to cross the border would be very naughty indeed.

Marches Farmer

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Herefordshire
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2015, 06:59:53 pm »
Why d they think it would be a good idea to reintroduce predators that were last here when the human population was around 500,000 and using a commensurate amount of land for living and farming?  The wild boar in the Forest of Dean have probably risen to the hundreds at least, after two mild Winters, and one man has been killed due to a boar running into his car.  Princess Anne's GOS boar was killed by a wild boar coming in from the Forest - imagine, if you will, the terrible damage it must have inflicted on the GOS.

As to rare breeds - we've put countless hours and I'd-rather-not-even-think-about-it amounts of money into building up our herd of GOS and flocks of sheep and poultry.  Every animal and bird we now have is virtually irreplaceable, the result of many years of culling out problems. If, for instance, a ewe lamb  we'd selected for breeding was killed and, if she'd lived she would have produced, twins 60:40 ewe:ram as they generally do, and the ewe lambs would have prduced lambs at two years of age, etc., the number lost as a consequence would be into the hundreds in a ten year time frame.  How can money compensate for that ....?

Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2015, 07:01:25 pm »
Well might you hide behind a bloody sofa  :innocent:


Now now, I didn't say I necessarily agreed with the plans to reintroduce them to the UK. The ones I so admired in the wild were in deepest Alaska, not Auchtermuchty. Alaska is actually a lot like Scotland would have been 800 years ago, and hence a perfect environment for these predators. However, things have changed a bit in the UK since the last wolf or lynx was killed here, and on balance we're probably now better off without them. 


A fire is a beautiful thing in a grate, but a disaster on the living room floor. However, if somebody does decide to set fire to the living room floor, you can't say it wouldn't make an interesting tourist attraction, and I may be compelled to go and have a look myself!  :innocent:
"All fungi are edible. Some fungi are only edible once." -Terry Pratchett

Me

  • Joined Feb 2014
  • Wild West
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2015, 08:48:08 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1zCNH_oN2Q

Yeah, it'd be great to have them back. Watch 10 mins of reality then make up your mind

oor wullie

  • Joined Jun 2012
  • Strathnairn
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2015, 08:12:05 am »
First we should put efforts into protecting what we have, wild cats and several types of birds are in real trouble and we should stop them becoming extinct.

Second we need the right habitat to reintroduce species.  Huge areas of Scotland could and should be extensive native forests.  Land that is currently deer forests (which ironically don't have any trees) which is effectively used only for deer shooting should be a much more diverse and productive landscape.  Incidentally since CAP funding was decoupled more than a decade ago sheep have disappeared from huge areas of Scotland so you can't argue that woodlands would be displacing productive agriculture - it has already gone from many of the areas that might be considered for reintroductions.
However, Scotland has changed a lot in the last 150 years.  The most remote areas are totally empty of human population (where 200 years ago there were communities), I would love to see some of these areas being repopulated but it is not going to happen in the deer forests.  Expanding out from existing settlements and roads around the coasts yes, but not the inland area.
In 1905 Scotland had 4.5% forest cover, today it is 18.5%.  That is a huge change.  A lot of that increase was the FC planting of monoculture spruce which is not much good for any wildlife but over the last 20 years or so the focus has been on native woodland.  We are planting NEW broadleaf woodlands at the rate of 50 - 60 square km per year.  Give it another 20 or 30 years and the increasing number of wee patches of woodland will link to become networks and the big landscape scale projects will be mature enough to support more wildlife (and there are some really big landscape scale planting/regeneration projects on the go).
Although a lot more needs to be done we are on the way to having suitable habitat for some (not all) species reintroduction.


I would love to see some species reintroduced.
I live in an area that would probably be considered as one of the first areas for species to be released so my lambs and chicks would be first in the firing line.
I love walking and climbing in the outdoors, predators would attract me to camping in the wilds not scare me away (and if you look at places like North America you will see that they have a much higher (than Scotland) participation in "backcountry" activities despite the bears, wolves, mountain lions, alligators, poisonous snakes and spiders).
One of the biggest reasons I live in the country is so that I can see and engage with wildlife.  I don't want the country to be sanitised into a human only environment - If I wanted that I would live in a city!

I would like to hear some of the organisations that are so vociferously against reintroductions being a bit more consistent if they are to get my respect.  Why are lynx so bad for agriculture when pheasants are OK?  Pheasants are non native and wreck havoc.  The thousands that were released near me destroyed about 80% of my potato harvest this year and they are now working their way through my field of winter forage.  It looks like I will have to put the sheep onto the turnips now whilst there are still some left instead of keeping them for when I really need them in mid winter, thus forcing me to buy in more feed later in the winter.  That will cost me more that the price of a couple of lambs (especially at this years prices).
Why is it OK to have introduced sika deer and reds at un-naturally high numbers and not a few beavers?  I had to spend £6k on deer fencing to keep the deer out, that is a major cost to my modest agricultural business.  I am confident that beavers would do much less damage to my land than the huge numbers of introduced Sika so why is there not uproar about the damage deer are doing to our agriculture and our landscapes?

I now fully expect to get a roasting but ................................................................
 :sofa:

Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2015, 08:43:32 am »
Don't worry Wullie, there's plenty of room behind here for another one  ;) .


I think one of the reasons people venture into the backcountry in the USA etc is precisely FOR the feeling of not being the biggest, ugliest thing out there. Put yourself into an environment where it feels big and you feel small and it really helps your perspective on the world. Perhaps one reason we treat our environment so badly is that we've lost that perspective?
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john and helen

  • Joined Mar 2013
  • Devon
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Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2015, 08:58:34 am »
No doubt this idea has come from some city dweller who hasn't a clue on the countryside
yet did watch a David Attenbrough programme  ;D and now knows everything about wildlife and farming,

as i watch many lovely places get gobbled up in the name of build new homes, i wonder if they are thinking on a mini version, like a pygmy wolf  :P a sort of corgi size  ;D

Marches Farmer

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Herefordshire
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2015, 08:58:57 am »
The prpblem is always control of numbers.  I came across the mountains from the Cardiganshire coast yesterday and the number of red kites was amazing.  No predators.  I wonder how many ground nesting birds and small mammals are left in the area, though.

ramon

  • Joined Feb 2014
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2015, 09:24:28 am »
Foxes and roe deer already result in losses for me. Lynx would reduce the numbers of both of these so I would support their introduction in this part of Scotland.

Rosemary

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Barry, Angus, Scotland
    • The Accidental Smallholder
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2015, 09:29:43 am »
Foxes and roe deer already result in losses for me. Lynx would reduce the numbers of both of these so I would support their introduction in this part of Scotland.

Out of the frying pan into the fire, I fear.

clydesdaleclopper

  • Joined Aug 2009
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2015, 10:02:54 am »

I would like to hear some of the organisations that are so vociferously against reintroductions being a bit more consistent if they are to get my respect.  Why are lynx so bad for agriculture when pheasants are OK?  Pheasants are non native and wreck havoc.  The thousands that were released near me destroyed about 80% of my potato harvest this year and they are now working their way through my field of winter forage.  It looks like I will have to put the sheep onto the turnips now whilst there are still some left instead of keeping them for when I really need them in mid winter, thus forcing me to buy in more feed later in the winter.  That will cost me more that the price of a couple of lambs (especially at this years prices).
Why is it OK to have introduced sika deer and reds at un-naturally high numbers and not a few beavers?  I had to spend £6k on deer fencing to keep the deer out, that is a major cost to my modest agricultural business.  I am confident that beavers would do much less damage to my land than the huge numbers of introduced Sika so why is there not uproar about the damage deer are doing to our agriculture and our landscapes?

I now fully expect to get a roasting but ................................................................
 :sofa:


I think the point is that we have supposedly learned from our mistakes with previous introductions which is why any new ones have to be licensed
Our holding has Anglo Nubian and British Toggenburg goats, Gotland sheep, Franconian Geese, Blue Swedish ducks, a whole load of mongrel hens and two semi-feral children.

Rosemary

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Barry, Angus, Scotland
    • The Accidental Smallholder
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2015, 10:37:56 am »
Well if we want to rake up past mistakes, the Romans did us no bloody favours by introducing rabbits. And who brought in the grey squirrel?

Buttermilk

  • Joined Jul 2014
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2015, 12:14:03 pm »
While lynx and wolves would prey on deer and other wild animals they are not stupid and fields of slow, fat sheeps and stirks would be like asking them to avoid sweetie shops to prevent tooth decay.  There will be conflict with the protectionists demanding proof it is the twee newbies causing the losses and not stray dogs ect.

ramon

  • Joined Feb 2014
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2015, 12:43:10 pm »
Evidence from other countries would indicate that sheep predation by lynx is very low.
Deer numbers do need controlling as they cause considerable damage so lynx introduction is an option to consider.


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/29/will-reintroduced-lynx-hunt-britains-sheep

devonlady

  • Joined Aug 2014
Re: Consultation on reintroduction of Lynx
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2015, 03:07:31 pm »
You can at least shoot and eat the deer!

 

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