[RUSTYME]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0JqQyl09zQ&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAmbOrVxMBo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqOqo-Zo6Ao&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Ea_yCuL34&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMgH27Jly7k&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYdODdKkBmg&feature=related

 the lady in the link can certainly talk ....sorry about the subtitles !!! But she makes some very valid points , many of which are just not mentioned by the media , or by the government , but ALL of which can be checked out , and substantiated .
Below is the article where I saw the above youtube links . The article is a very scary one indeed .It tells the story of  Joseph Moshe and what happened to him recently:
http://www.unfictional.com/joseph-moshe-mossad-bioweapon-swine-flu-vaccine-westwood   
If the story about how they treated Mr Moshe sounds unrealistic and overblown then watch the video below ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OYVws9uJbk
 This is not scaremongering ....or telling lies ... this is fact ...fact that can be seen by anyone who cares to look ..... Remember ...we are safe in their hands....(as long as we 'just do as we are told')...


cheers


Russ

[HappyHippy]

OMG !
Didn't watch the videos, but did read the article. Very scary indeed 
But proof enough for me that there is no way on this earth that ANYONE will be coming near me or my family with a swine flu vaccine (or any other new ones they dream up !)

[RUSTYME]

http://www.topnews.in/ukraine-flu-outbreak-widens-government-announces-control-measures-2232405
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juxi_Jx5AEo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mekGoO-fAbY&feature=related

Oh and where is a Baxters lab that is making the flu vaccine ? ..yes ... the Ukraine....
Wasn't there also a Baxters lab some 50 miles from the outbreak of swine flu in Mexico ..?

cheers

Russ

[RUSTYME]

don't forget about this either Karen :

http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/articles/12455921107/article

 the choice may not be yours to make !!!


cheers

Russ

[sheila]

What on earth can we do about it.? I have watched the videos and see that the nun would like us to start some sort of movement with the two aims of
1) refusing to have the vaccine if we don't want it, despite orders from the WHO. and
2) Don't accept the fact that anyone who decides to have the vaccine, has no redress either from the government or the vaccine manufacturers, should things go wrong.

[shetlandpaul]

rusty you love the panic mongering. have you seen anyone really sick with this bug. the wife has and its not something to taken lightly. they have delt with a number of cases were they have needed full airway support. if even one person that should have had the vaccine does not because of your woffle and they become ill or worse will you be pleased with yourself.

if you fall into a risk group get vaccinated the bug is worse than the cure. if you don't the odds are you will be fine but you do need to be aware that there is a chance of you beingvery ill orof dying. as rusty says its your choice.

[RUSTYME]

http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/articles/06001329810/article

the above step by Obama steps things up another gear , and not for the good. Why has he taken this route ? there was absolutely no need for this step to be taken . UNLESS !!!! they are preparing for something more than we know about , ie forced mandatory vaccination !!  Ok so it doesn't apply to us over here in the UK , but for how long will that be the case ? Absolutely nothing about the actions of US and UK governments makes any sense at all , unless there is some other agenda that they are preparing for , then it all seems to fall into place.  

cheers

Russ

[shetlandpaul]

ponder this the conspiracy that your worried about may just be the exact opposite of the truth. they have been down playing the risks with this bug from the very beginning. when the experts were banging on following the company line that this bug is mild. well its not.the bug is becoming immune to the anti viralsits adapting and will continue to. there is a lot of poltics going into keeping people calm. the reason they cant cope with it if it spreadslike the Spanish flu the countries will fall apart. the hospitals won't cope. if for whatever reason it picks up more RNA info from another virus then worry.

[RUSTYME]

ok  .. for all my waffling ...is it not fact  that the government STILL say that most people are perfectly fine, and pull through the infection perfectly ok as it is still  very mild even compared to normal flu !!, and that most of the people that have died, did  so due to underlying health reasons ? waffle waffle ? if so it is government waffle not mine .... and as for have I seen anyone with swine flu .. yes ... I have , 3 relatives have had it so far.  We are told that thousands of people die every year in the UK  of ordinary flu ... if that is true , why don't they give 'everyone' the vaccination for that ... is it ok for those thousands of people to die ? but not for the one that you accuse me of wanting to die ?  But I expect I want those thousands of people to die to ...well someone must be quite ok with them dying year after year after year , because it keeps on happening does it not ? .  
 I don't want ANYONE to die ... but I want the truth to be told about what is in the vaccinations ...not the lies we are getting so far.

cheers

Russ

[shetlandpaul]

they do vaccinate for seasonal flu. the other diffrence which may be the important one is the normal flu kills mainly the old and weak the new flu kills the young. the old flu saves the goverment millions in pensions and health care. cruel i know but true.the swine flu can cause permant damage to the lungs and it hits a lot quicker and harder. by the way i was not talking about the mild cases have you seen a hospitized person they are sicker than your normal flu victim.

[RUSTYME]

you have the bloody cheek to accuse me of panic mongering and effectively wanting people to die by asking "will I be pleased if just one person dies ?" , and then you allude to the fact that old people dying from normal flu is ok because it saves the government millions !!!! cruel but true ...WTF ? Slipped off our high horse a tad there didn't we ..? POTS , KETTLES ,AND THE COLOUR BLACK , spring to mind here....
 You bring in to question my morals , and then come out with a crass statement that Heinrich Himmler and Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of  !!! Eugenics and the Final Solution ok are they ? ... as long as it is just the old ? oh and maybe the disabled ? and the mentally ill ? as long as it saves money !!! cruel but true eh ?
Check your own morals before you have a dig at mine mate !!!!

cheers

Russ

[gavo]

Sorry to butt in but it sounds to me as though shetlandpaul was trying to allude to a GOVT mindset ie save money by keeping the young and healthy that way; therefore continuing to obtain taxes etc from them in the future.Not necessarily how he feels about the situation of old /young dying. Forgive me if i'm wrong but that's how it seems.I'll let you get back to your discussion now.

[doganjo]

Absolutely what I thought too Gavo.

[RUSTYME]

if thats the case then I stand corrected ...and my apologies go to you Paul......but having my morals questioned got right up my nose .......not much does ......but that DOES !!!


cheers

Russ

[doganjo]

C'mon Russ - Everything gets up your nose, lol