[SallyintNorth]

Just found this if it's of any help - http://www.sacramentodogbehavior.com/6mistakesbmod.htm

I love that! 

I see so many dog owners out walking their dogs, completely oblivious to the fact that their dog is looking up at them, seeking some form of feedback. If I had just 2% more Crazy Dog Lady in me, I would roll down my car window and shout, “REWARD THAT, for Pete’s sake!!!”

I have 2% more Crazy Dog Lady in me than she does, and I am going to start doing that

It is better to be rude forgotten five minutes later by a stranger than to be paying their dog’s vet bills or explaining to animal control why your dog just bit someone.

If I can work that into a T-shirt slogan I am going to get some printed

[in the hills]

  Well done you and pup. From your last description your pup sounds pretty average to me. A lot of our pups over the years have barked at the odd thing ... they are dogs after all. My fathers labs will still give the occasional bark or growl if they see something or someone they don't like the look of or can't make out. If they bark too much after that first sort of warning bark they are given a command that means "that's enough ... it's okay". You could teach pup that eventually if you need to.

Think it's a good idea to walk any young dog on their own on a regular basis .... know it's time consuming though. Pup gets your full attention, gets confidence to be on their own, easier to teach some of their lessons this way etc. I try to do a mixture with pups. Current pup is much better when she encounters new things if with our older dog ... so opposite position to you. He is friendly to the point of being a nuisance  , bless him, and our pup is so tempted to overcome her fear and fuss people when he is greeting them. She is far more relaxed. Very possible that it works the other way for your pup and he picks up the negatives from your older boy.

Relax and enjoy. 

[Ladygrey]

Thanks so much everyone! you are all so knowledgeable and friendly!!

Tully is doing better again today! we passed two men and he just said a small gruff under his breath, I gave him a treat for being quiet

I'm going to take him out into town again tomorrow but its busy chucking it down right now so we went to the fields instead.
Will concentrate on trying to take him out on his own sometimes, but then I feel like im neglecting Laddie I hope he doesnt mind.

Tully had a fantastic time at dog classes wednesday night, he is the best behaved puppy there and better behaved then some dogs he was desperate to play with a border collie but ended up having the greatest fun with a group of little daschunds!! He is very freindly with everybody but in a collie way, he doesnt wag his tail at anyone and he lets them stroke him but doesnt go up to them or greet them lol he is such a one person dog! more so than Laddie ever was!

Im pretty sure its just a scary phase he is going through that I need to just ignore and stay calm and not get stressed about it and we will be fine

[SallyintNorth]

That all sounds great, LG   Thanks for the update!