Author Topic: Answers please  (Read 13996 times)

Rosemary

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Barry, Angus, Scotland
    • The Accidental Smallholder
Answers please
« on: August 24, 2009, 09:58:59 pm »
I have had a contact from a certain Government department seeking views from smallholders. I will be speaking with the researcher tomorrow at 11am. I'm sorry it's such short notice but your thoughts re. the questions woudl be appreciated.

Again, apologies for the short notice - my fault, not theirs.

Some questions for you to mull over:

*       How would you define a smallholder?
*       Do you call yourself a smallholder/do you think others call
themselves smallholders?
*       Do you think there are certain groups within the definition -
different types of smallholders (including what         group
you might fall into)?
*       What motivated you to become a smallholder and continue to be
one?
*       What current issues do you face as a smallholder?
*       Do you have preferred ways of getting information, any trusted
sources?
*       What role do you think they play in the local community?
(economy, sense of belonging, community feel)
*       How do you safeguard the welfare of your animals?
*       What relationship do you have with vets? Close/trusted?
*       How would you describe your attitudes/beliefs towards the
environment?
*       Do you have a county parish holding number, receive the June
Survey and/or claim single farm payments?
*       Are there any smallholder myths you think we need to bust?

jameslindsay

  • Joined Feb 2009
  • Nr St Andrews, Fife
  • "Blossom" one of my Pygmy Goats
Re: Answers please
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2009, 10:07:10 pm »
Rosemary I don't think I can class myself as a small holder. I have about 4 acres of land that I have for my many animals, would grow vegetables if I had more time though. I am on first name terms with all the vets in the practice we use and I am fiercely protective of all the animals. They are all locked up at night time and sonce the last fox attack we have installed the Foz Watch things and have human hair hanging in tights all around the land and so far so good.

I think a smallholder as being someone with any size of land that grows their own fruit and veg and may or may not keep a few animals. In some way it has a "romantic" picture attached to it but I know it is very hard work and requires a lot of dedication.

Hope some of this may help you.

little blue

  • Joined Jun 2009
  • Derbyshire
Re: Answers please
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2009, 10:45:46 pm »
Personally I think a smallholder should have more than veg and three chickens!
Ok maybe the chickens qualify but a smallholder should be 'holding' ie have an animal that requires a cph number,
We have 2 goats, 3 pigs and 18 chickens, but in a surbanan back garden, between the house and veg patch.  m proud to be a small holder but feel v misunderstood sometimes.  No mr farmer, I cant take 100 hay bales, I cant store them. No mrs petshop, one bag of hay at £2 is not enough!

Motivation- wanting more independence from supermarkets, wanting to provide own milk, cheese, eggs knowing what conditions the animals were in. Having the space and time due to personal circumstances.

Have run out pf time now - would you let us know what the researcher says.
Wou;d love to carry on this discussion with you all!
Little Blue

northfifeduckling

  • Joined Jan 2009
  • Fife
    • North Fife Blog
Re: Answers please
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2009, 10:53:12 pm »
Rosemary,
I always dreamed of some kind of self-sufficency, just because I like to know where my food comes from and prefer what is grown without pesticide use.  Now I do grow quite a lot of fruit and veg myself and have a few birds for eggs. I gradually got to this stage. I don't think I'll be "growing" animals for meat in the near future.
I would not have called myself a smallholder (the actual meaning suggest more animals than I have and running it as some kind of business?), but it sounds nice, especially with the "Accidental" attached, lol.
My main trusted source for info is TAS and some other forums and books.
Although it is not new to me, I see growing my own food as a very important step to reducing food miles, etc. I also enjoy a lively exchange of produce in the close community.
The vet's just around the corner and very capable but difficult to get hold of at short notice.
The only myth that needs busting is that it is only hard work having animals and growing your own food.  It is hard work in a way, but ever so rewarding.  :&>



doganjo

  • Joined Aug 2012
  • Clackmannanshire
  • Qui? Moi?
Re: Answers please
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2009, 10:58:42 pm »
Quote
Personally I think a smallholder should have more than veg and three chickens!

Personally I think this is an elitist view.  Many people have a small amount of land and like to grow veg and have chickens who couldn't grow larger animals because they build up relationships with their animals to an extent that they cannot kill them. I could not kill a pig or a lamb or a duck or a chicken for my own food.  I am not a vegetarian but I prefer to eat meat grown by a smallholder, rather than a factory

Some people have a fair bit of land and a CPH who could in your definition be called a smallholder but who do not make proper use of that land.  I was that person.  

I am more of a smallholder now, in an acre of garden ground with a small veg patch and a small fruit patch and a cockerel and 11 hens and a drake and three ducks than ever I was with 21.5 acres and a croft number, let out to a local farmer.  OK we grew veg and had a few hens and ducks latterly but no way would I have joined any smallholders association.  I now feel very confident and very much at home as a member of Central Scotland Smallholders Association!
JMVHO
Always have been, always will be, a WYSIWYG - black is black, white is white - no grey in my life! But I'm mellowing in my old age

Bodger

  • Joined Jul 2009
Re: Answers please
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2009, 11:04:21 pm »
" Don't tell them your name Pike"  ;D

Most government departments are on a need to know basis and they need to know nothing.

ballingall

  • Joined Sep 2008
  • Avonbridge, Falkirk
Re: Answers please
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2009, 12:17:10 am »
*       How would you define a smallholder?

I think it depends on the person who is smallholding. In some ways we are not as much smallholders as other people, but I would still class us as that.

*       Do you call yourself a smallholder/do you think others call
themselves smallholders?
I call us smallholders, and yes I certainly class others as that- even those who don't keep animals/livestock.

*       Do you think there are certain groups within the definition -
different types of smallholders (including what         group
you might fall into)?

Yes- I think there is a group who mainly produce fruit and veg, and other groups who have mainly livestock, and others who have a mix of both.

*       What motivated you to become a smallholder and continue to be
one?
It started a long time ago, and motivated my father not me! However what motivates me now, is my animals, and a better quality of life for me, my family and them.

*       What current issues do you face as a smallholder?
Rules and regulations- movement restrictions, vaccinations for this that and everything else, ear tags. Goats being classed as sheep, when they are not sheep.

*       How do you safeguard the welfare of your animals?
We are fortunate in our location, and the location of our property, our animals are located further from the road and are not easily visible by passers by. All animals are shut in at night. Our land is double fenced to protect against disease transmition etc. We have an excellent working relationship with our local vet, and ensure our animals are wormed and protected by vaccines as much as possible.

*       What relationship do you have with vets? Close/trusted?
Excellent working relationship with our vets, and also the practice we used to use before we moved area. My mother is a qualified vet, and they are very good at taking on board what she has to say, and giving us the medicine or supplies we need.

*       How would you describe your attitudes/beliefs towards the
environment?
I believe in eating local produce where possible, that we should not be transporting food great distances just so we can have it out of season. I also believe local markets and abbatoirs should be used, rather than transporting animals great distances.

*       Do you have a county parish holding number, receive the June
Survey and/or claim single farm payments?
Yes

Farmer

  • Joined May 2009
  • Sidway, Staffordshire
    • Farmeats.com
Re: Answers please
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2009, 01:44:13 am »
Its a tall order for this time of night Rosemary...but here goes...

Q :    How would you define a smallholder?
A:     Anyone who utilises land owned/rented by them to grow food or raise animals, either for their own consumption or for retail purposes, on a scale that is unlikely to generate full time employment of other people.

Q:      Do you call yourself a smallholder/do you think others call themselves smallholders?A:      I am a smallholder and know many other people who would call themselves smallholders for the reasons given in the answer to the previous question.
 
Q:      Do you think there are certain groups within the definition - different types of smallholders (including what group you might fall into)?
A:       I would suggest there are three main groups, each of which would have subcategories for specialisation; they would be
Agricultural Smallholder - (someone who cultivates their land to produce food or plant stock). Sub category – horticulture

Livestock Smallholder  - (someone who utilises their land to breed or raise animals for food production). Sub categories – Bovine, Porcine, etc

Generalist Smallholder - (someone who utilises their land to grow crops and raise animals for food production). I would classify myself as a Generalist Smallholder

Q:     What motivated you to become a smallholder and continue to be one?
A:     A desire to adopt a rural lifestyle which would enable my wife and I to indulge our passion for rare breed farm animals and locally produced foods. I/we remain smallholders because nothing we have ever done before has given us so much pleasure or reward. Our smallholding now incorporates a Farm Shop, which provides us with an outlet for our products and produce and returns a reasonable income; and my wife and I have become an integral part of the local community.

Q:     What current issues do you face as a smallholder?
A:     The same issues as any other business Finance, People, Resources and Time; never enough of either and a shortage of all!

Q:      Do you have preferred ways of getting information, any trusted sources?
A:     The internet, farming friends, specialists and other smallholders with similar or more experience than ourselves.

Q:      What role do you think they play in the local community? (economy, sense of belonging, community feel)
A:      Economically, it largely depends on what the smallholder does with the product/produce he/she produces; i.e. whether or not its for own consumption or retail – a sense of belonging is again dependant on whether or not the smallholder actively seeks to be part of the community – there is a place in every community for a smallholder, if he/she plays an active role within it.

Q:     How do you safeguard the welfare of your animals?
A:     By adhering to the DEFRA guidelines and animal welfare standards.

Q:     What relationship do you have with vets? Close/trusted?
A:      Personally, we enjoy a close and trusted relationship with our vet.

Q:     How would you describe your attitudes/beliefs towards the environment?
A:     My belief is that we should all do our utmost to sustain the environment and keep it in a clean and safe condition – unfortunately large parts of our environment are being contaminated and/or destroyed by political mismanagement.

Q:      Do you have a county parish holding number, receive the June Survey and/or claim single farm payments?
A:      Yes to all of the above

Q:      Are there any smallholder myths you think we need to bust?
A:       That smallholders are all amateur hobbyists playing at being farmers!

Hope this helps

Farmer
 :farmer:

MrRee

  • Joined Jan 2008
Re: Answers please
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2009, 08:01:00 am »
I'm with Farmer on every point,couldn't have put it better myself Sir!
 One more myth to bust;We're not all like Tom and Barbara,some smallholders balance professional lives as well............ Ree
They don’t join cliques — more times than not, they stand alone — but they recognize and gravitate towards one another. Only warriors understand other warriors.

Hilarysmum

  • Joined Oct 2007
Re: Answers please
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2009, 08:38:59 am »
I agree with farmer and Ree, would like to add (although not living in UK) that the bureaucracy intended for the larger farmer should sometimes be a little more lax for the smallholder who does not have 2,0000 plus pigs.

hexhammeasure

  • Joined Jun 2008
    • golocal food
    • Facebook
Re: Answers please
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2009, 08:46:42 am »
I too feel that bureaucracy is a big problem in britain and that some rules are detrimental to animal health, this is the main reason why I'm moving to america in a few years time
Ian

Bodger

  • Joined Jul 2009
Re: Answers please
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2009, 09:41:15 am »
Where doyou fancy going to Ian ? If I were twenty years younger I'd  go to the US or Canada

Rosemary

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Barry, Angus, Scotland
    • The Accidental Smallholder
Re: Answers please
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2009, 10:51:29 am »
Sorry to curb free speech - but could we really, really try and keep this thread on topic - so I can point the researcher to this forum and thread.

rustyme

  • Guest
Re: Answers please
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2009, 11:22:52 am »
GOVERNMENT RESEARCHER ?????

 ye gods ..is there nowhere where we can talk  without 'the powers that be ' sticking their noses in asking questions and making 'data bases', 'lists' . Sorry but I have well and truly had enough of government intrusion in my everyday  life . I will not be answering ANY questions about what I think or do for ANY government RESEARCHER ....????? WHY do they want this information ? WHY do they need it ? WHAT are they going to do with it ? ...no doubt as usual, there will be logical sounding answers to these questions , but it just gets more and more intrusive . 

bye........
     

Rosemary

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Barry, Angus, Scotland
    • The Accidental Smallholder
Re: Answers please
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2009, 11:28:41 am »
OK, no-one's forcing you. Calm.

My view is we have to work with them, so might as well give them the best info we can. As a former public servant, I don't have quite the same jaded view of government, or those who work in it, as you do.

Thanks to those who have responded in a considered way. Further comments still welcome.

 

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