[ballingall]

im sorry ettc. but no one has played my ball. no one has answered my original point.
 what is my friend with fybromyalgia, and countless others, supposed to do? ?


maybe if someone would actually argue a point i would too?

Well I'm sorry, but I don't know what your friend is supposed to do. But repeating your question time and time again doesn't seem to be helping much and getting many answers.


For what it's worth, my opinion is that this tax if they had to bring it in, could have been a whole lot better thought through.


Beth

[RUSTYME]

Maybe the likes of ian duncan smith could rent out a few of the spare rooms in the mansion that he lives in rent free ? Or some of the hard working home owners who are sick of paying taxes to keep the unemployed in the lap of luxury could do the same and give a homeless person a room ? , there will be plenty to choose from very soon . After all we are all in this together , aren't we ? How many bedrooms in buck house ? Who pays for them ?

[deepinthewoods]

beth.
there isnt an answer to my question. not that i can see anyway. which is why this is a serious injustice. and why i keep arguing the point.

and your opinion, is the same as mine. it didnt have to be this sledgehammer. and would have yielded much better returns if done carefully.

[tizaala]

If this bloody government stopped being such a soft touch on immigration , and stopped supporting thirdworld dictators who want to build their arms stockpiles bigger than their neighbours, -----Yes we will sell you 50 fighter planes  and a 100 tanks, and give you the money to buy them with----because we would like your mineral deposits, oil, etc , which we willl buy at inflated prices on the spot markets , only to find you have already sold the rights to Russia , America etc. Oh never mind ,use the money to get youself another palace with a gold throne,
Meanwhile , back at the ranch, people in the UK (MUGS) can go without food, heating , and somewhere to sleep..
 
STOP THE FOREIGN AID AND LOOK AFTER YOUR OWN PEOPLE CAMMERON.
 
You want to come and live here ? prove you have a job to go to , and somewhere to live first,
or you are back on the next plane at your own expense.
no benefits for the first 3 years of being here , pay in before you can draw out.
 
Leaving school and no qualifications  ? here is your uniform,  you are in the army now where you will learn a trade and put it to good use.
 
 
 

[Jackie 2]

I think if your spare bedroom is tiny then it CANNOT be classed as a bedroom for the purpose of this tax, cant remember the exact measurement

[Castle Farm]

You want to come and live here ? prove you have a job to go to , and somewhere to live first,
or you are back on the next plane at your own expense.
no benefits for the first 3 years of being here , pay in before you can draw out.
 
Leaving school and no qualifications  ? here is your uniform,  you are in the army now where you will learn a trade and put it to good use.
 
 
 I totally agree with this. BUT Some, not all immigrants come here, get a job and rent a home.

The majority of the  long term unemployed don't want work and David C is right in cutting benifits and whatever else he needs to do to get those idle buggers off the dole and into work.

It must be really galling to walk past a house at god knows what time in the morning on your way to work to know that that a house you pass has a grown-up family living in it at out expence.

The boat we all live on has a huge hole in it caused by the last goverment and bankers playing silly buggers. When a ship is in peril the first thing you need to do is dump all the crap over board to lighten the load.

I can see re-introduction of Victorian workhouses and the 'poor' who for whatever reason did'nt save up for a situation like this are going to suffer more.

Everybody in the UK had a chance of a good education, but quite alot didn't bother and those are the ones we that did get one are paying for.

If you want to see real poverty go to the slums of India and Africa.

In the UK it's a lot better and thats why people are trying to come here.

[lachlanandmarcus]

My granny lived out her days in a very large 3 bedroom council house with a huge garden. Once she died it was demolished and they fitted about 4 houses on the plot. It was cold and draughty with an outside loo. No one ever suggested any alternatives for her or to her.


So there are some cases where a policy of moving people to smaller and more suitable accommodation would have benefitted everyone. However I do think there's an issue with the availability of suitable smaller alternatives in the local are, and those need to be put in place if this isn't in effect to be just a cut in benefits. Discretion should also be put in place with those with genuine disabilities. I don't have an issue with a decent sized room being shared by two children of the same sex tbh. And being blunt, council housing ought to be a safety net, and for most people a temporary one, rather than being better than what they could afford if they worked full time. Otherwise why would people bother to work.


I do think some posters on this thread have been aggressive to the point of being quite unpleasant, there is a difference between having an honest disagreement and being plain rude. There's no need for it, let the strength of the case people hold act as its force.

[Victorian Farmer]

well i live in aviemore in the Holiday village my dad lives at the croft I'm disabled and haw i see it is there is them that have it and them that dont .I think it will divide the people in UK.There is other things that could be done to help the state of the country .iv never voted as no bodey has ever helpt me the country will go bust and there will be looting robing etc this is haw i see it. We should look after those that ha vent got no think the old sick etc

[Padge]

You want to come and live here ? prove you have a job to go to , and somewhere to live first,
or you are back on the next plane at your own expense.
no benefits for the first 3 years of being here , pay in before you can draw out.
 
This part of the previously qouted post i could wholeheartedly agree with. There are strict rules elsewhere governing entry and work into other countries  why not here. The perceptibly@free@ money isn't free is it........it's mine and yours........or maybe that's too sweeping a statement to be correct.

The majority of the  long term unemployed don't want work
 
 
This part of the post i can't agree with. Night after night there are endless programmes documenting the plight of the unemployed.....the largest group being the 50 pluses. Now i understand that there are also documentaries on those that know how to work the system to the n..th degree and have been brought up in generations of it and will never want to work....surely those people are in the minority?
With a failing economy and companies going bust on a grand scale on a daily basis where are the jobs supposed to come from? There will be people out of work for god knows how long for whom being unemployed will be their worst nightmare and through no fault of their own.
 
My husband could well be one of them following a serious work accident just over a year ago. He will now have serious restrictions as to what he can and cannot do within the world of work   and is still struggling to come with the pschological effects of the accident. Now the very last thing this man wants to be is unemployed so without mithering on i find it thoroughly distasteful and unecessary to make such a sweeping statement.......we've had months of worry and anxiety with many more to come but carry on as optimistically as we can.
 

[Backinwellies]

a suggestion....

HA  cannot sublet   but they could maybe take in someone without rent ..... share bills and save the benefit loss.


some of this thread is rather unpleasant to read .... its an emotive subject but dont think this is the place to vent individual issues.

[Womble]

What a shame the government seem hell bent on forcing this one through, despite the unfortunate consequences for so many disabled people, or folks who find themselves in that situation through circumstance rather than choice.
 
I do wonder if the bedroom tax is going to be this generation's poll tax - feelings seem to be running very high, don't they?

[Derby_menagerie]

This is a benefit cut, not a tax, it only effects those in social housing in receipt of housing benefit and brings it in to line with those in private rented housing in receipt of housing benefit, is that fairness? Sounds like it to me.
Why is the tax and benefit system the only way to redistribute wealth? It is a bureaucratic and inefficient way to achieve this, I donate to the local food bank, 100% of my money there goes to help those in need and not pay some sniffling servants (Civil Servants, I Can say that I am one, lol).
No court in the land will evict someone in a wheelchair who is ill, until they have found somewhere suitable to move to, so you friend should look for somewhere to move to and not worry; she will not be put on the streets.
There are charities and people out there to help; it doesn’t all have to come through tax and benefits system. Yes we have a duty of care to help those in need, but the money the government has is finite and the priorities have to be balanced, in an ideal world things would be different, but we are going through a bad time right now!

[deepinthewoods]

there isnt anywhere for her to move to. this is the problem.

[Fleecewife]

Apparently one Council has used a bit of lateral thinking.  They have decided that high rise buildings are unsuitable for raising familes, so all such flats are automatically being re-categorised as single bedroomed.  Neat eh?  Yes there would still be problems for some people with certain disabilities to use them, but it will at least free up any more suitable accommodation for them, while housing the fit singles or couples with no dependents in the high rise blocks.

[Lesley Silvester]

That is sensible thinking.