[deepinthewoods]

im sorry ettc. but no one has played my ball. no one has answered my original point.
 what is my friend with fybromyalgia, and countless others, supposed to do? ?


maybe if someone would actually argue a point i would too?

[happygolucky]

Its going to be interesting to see just how many people will end up not being able to afford thier rent, where are they all going to go when evicted? and at what cost?
 

[deepinthewoods]

precisely. and they will be, in their droves.

who will pick up that tab?
the taxpayer.

in b and b costs cos thats where they end up.

[happygolucky]

in b and b costs cos that's where they end up.

  maybe we should hang on then, although we have had a few homeless but they were waiting for their new homes.
I think collecting the un paid rent arrears is going to cost a packet!!! People with money are going to be so very vulnerable too when they have their property taken, or used for squats, as will things such as wiring, plumbing, lead roofs, etc etc, 
 

[deepinthewoods]

very true.





ive gotta go bed now, early start n all. but i hope anyone reading this thread for the first time has been able to see a more realistic side to this argument. and i think, castle farm and escaped to' you have done that much better than i ever could with your empty and shallow methods of arguing.

so i ask you once more. what is my friend supposed to do?

[escapedtothecountry]

Deep in the woods - sorry but do you think I will engage with someone who makes personal comments like the one you just did (again). I haven't called your arguments shallow. You have now called mine "shallow" and "crap".  Silly.

[deepinthewoods]

yet another distraction technique. im not stupid u know.

what is my friend supposed to do??

[escapedtothecountry]

Deep in the woods - with respect - a few months ago you DM asking for advice about your business which I happily give and now because you disagree with points I make you think it's OK to go down the name calling route. Good luck! As I said before I'm not engaging with that type of silliness.

[colliewobbles]

im sorry ettc. but no one has played my ball. no one has answered my original point.
 what is my friend with fybromyalgia, and countless others, supposed to do? ?


maybe if someone would actually argue a point i would too?

On this point I agree with you entirely - the 'one size fits all' hatchet approach to evaluating for this tax is rubbish and there should be a sort of 'means test' to ensure that people like your friend continue to be supported with their difficult circumstances.  The welfare state was set up to provide a safety net for vulnerable people like this and should continue to do so.

However, as I have said before, there are still some cases where I believe that those living in houses that provide them with 'spare' bedrooms should make them available to those with more need as long as they can suitably be re-homed.  In an ideal world of course everyone should be able to stay where they are - but we are living in a far from ideal world sadly and lots of people are having to make changes to accommodate the global downturn.

[deepinthewoods]

im sorry ettc. but no one has played my ball. no one has answered my original point.
 what is my friend with fybromyalgia, and countless others, supposed to do? ?


maybe if someone would actually argue a point i would too?

.

However, as I have said before, there are still some cases where I believe that those living in houses that provide them with 'spare' bedrooms should make them available to those with more need as long as they can suitably be re-homed.  In an ideal world of course everyone should be able to stay where they are - but we are living in a far from ideal world sadly and lots of people are having to make changes to accommodate the global downturn.

i agree. but dont you think these people supposedly having room spare have probably already moved or been moved? they just dont exist, or there are so very few of them it really doesnt affect the deficit in the slightest.

however, a tax on the super rich would.

the recovery from the global downturn isnt the responsibility of the poor and disabled. thats the job of the fit and able to sort out.

since when has this country forgotten its duty of care to these people? its the job of the fit and able to LOOK after the disabled, not make them pay the rich gamblers debts off.

[Lesley Silvester]

My neighbour is on her own and living in a three bedroomed housing association house.  The council has offered her one bedroom accommodation a couple of times but she didn't like the areas they were in so turned them down.  I don't want to lose my neighbour but a whole family could live in that house.

On the other hand, my friend is disabled and lives in a three bedroomed HA house.  She can't manage the stairs so lives downstairs. As it is, she has fallen a few times and not been able to get up unaided.  She has been waiting for MORE THAN A YEAR for a suitable supported living place to become available.  She desperately wants to move to a smaller place and is onto the council every week but nothing has become available.  She is now going to have to pay for those two bedrooms by losing some of the benefits she needs to live on.  She would actually love to go to work but cannot manage to.

She is the sort of person that is being hit hardest by this tax.

[colliewobbles]

However, as I have said before, there are still some cases where I believe that those living in houses that provide them with 'spare' bedrooms should make them available to those with more need as long as they can suitably be re-homed.  In an ideal world of course everyone should be able to stay where they are - but we are living in a far from ideal world sadly and lots of people are having to make changes to accommodate the global downturn.

since when has this country forgotten its duty of care to these people? its the job of the fit and able to LOOK after the disabled, not make them pay the rich gamblers debts off.

You have mis-quoted me slightly here by removing some of my earlier post - I did say that I do think it is the duty of the welfare state to look after those most in need.  I also believe there is a bunch of very rich people in this country who are sitting pretty - we are never gonna change that, need to accept it's the way of the world and move on.

However, as a tax and NI payer, I do not like having to pay for everyone who decides it's quite nice to have 2 spare rooms now their kids have moved on for instance.  Great in an ideal world to let this continue - but we are not in an ideal world.

I do work, very hard, in the public sector.  In the past few years I have been subject to a pay freeze which the chancellor has seen fit to extend once again to 2016.  My pension contributions have gone up by 6% and will do the same again next April whilst I have to wait 7 years longer for that pension and will get less when I do get it.  My tax and NI have also gone up in that time - overall I take home over £400 a month less than I did 2 years ago, whilst the cost of living continues to rise.  Within that climate my class sizes have become bigger and bigger and I am told daily by the education secretary that I am rubbish at my job!!! 

My point is - which should ensure everyone in the country is contributing to the recovery whilst protecting the very vulnerable and not subjecting them to more stress.  But we have to do something about those who are taking an easy ride because there is not enough money left in the pot.

[deepinthewoods]

Deep in the woods - with respect - a few months ago you DM asking for advice about your business which I happily give and now because you disagree with points I make you think it's OK to go down the name calling route. Good luck! As I said before I'm not engaging with that type of silliness.

i havent called you names. i just said your arguments were 'shallow' and 'crap'
 should i have maybe said 'not of sufficient depth' and 'throw away' ?

what is my friend supposed to do?  you have yet to offer any answer to this question i originally posed. 

[deepinthewoods]

colliewobbles, im sorry for the misquote, i was more concentrated on the latter half.

[colliewobbles]

colliewobbles, im sorry for the misquote, i was more concentrated on the latter half.

Ta    no harm done