[bloomer]

Okay all of you please keep it civil in here or it will be time for this thread to be closed!!!


You all raise valid arguments and i don't think it is possible for you to reach an agreement so may i suggest letting the thread die a natural death...

[deepinthewoods]

in the last two years i have reduced my electricity consumption by well over 20%.
 
 
my dislike is for nuclear. both power and weapons. its too dangerous, we cant control it and we cant dispose of it. simple.
 
voting makes not one jot of difference. protest and education do.
 
im done, thank you.

[escapedtothecountry]

Sorry - I didn't realise it wasn't civil - I haven't seen any personal comments?


One moderator telling another off? Ok... I will keep my opinions to myself - I've only worked for several Members of Parliament with a strong interest in energy security and stood for Parliament twice. Can't think why a thread should be shut just because two people are engaging in adult debate. Apologies if this sort of thing offends.

[deepinthewoods]

 
 
im happy if you are, robust argument is healthy and the basis for mutual respect,
 
mybe you might have got in if you pushed the renewable agenda?? id have voted for you...

[MikeM]

I'm tempted to agree with the nuclear argument. We do need to reduce our CO2 emissions, so we can't build more gas/oil/coal fired power stations. We should've invested more money 20+ years ago into renewables when we had the, but we didn't, so we have to live the situation as we find it. Renewables, as they stand at this point in time are not enough. Money we invest now will not pay off in time, we need a stop gap measure.
Yes, leaving nuclear waste around for future generations is distasteful, but so are the consequences of climate change.
EDIT: interesting (if loooooong, I still haven't read it all) article on George Monbiots site: http://www.monbiot.com/2012/10/09/the-heart-of-the-matter/

[escapedtothecountry]

LOl I'm happy too.. Can I just check no one is offended? I thought this was a very healthy robust debate?? Nothing personal in it at all from my side and I wasn't offended in any way by your comments.


Come from the view that to debate is good as it should make everyone question their own views. I am teh first to admit I am often wrong. Yes it's true.. but don't tell the wife. 



Ha ha Im sure we agree on many things including doing what we can for the environment - hence I'm doing what I can with the place we have bought. All probably badly. But trying to be self sustaining with wood for woodberner. Now harvest 12000 litres of water for the garden etc. Doing my bit slowly.


I have always tried to remember what Dan and Rosemary have written about treat this as their house. I would probably have engaged in a debate like this over the dinner table. Enjoyed the debate to be honest. And I really think it shows two people can totally disagree but it is nothing personal.

[deepinthewoods]

 
ding ding round 2.
 
solutions!
 
 
if germany can do it so can we (ummm)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/may/30/germany-renewable-energy-revolution

[escapedtothecountry]

My comments have already been noted 

[deepinthewoods]

 
 
may i take this opportunity to commend you on your dahlias?
 
 

[the great composto]

Has nobody worked out how to capture Piezoelectricity yet ( the crystal that sparks to light a cigarette lighter).  - I am dumb enough to think that if you could capture it and put it somewhere like a car tyre this would produce endless amounts of energy as the car moves for example.

We could also try to capture bloomers enthusiasm for excessive moderation 

[escapedtothecountry]

Ok now you made me laugh out loud properly! Why thank you kind Sir! You are too kind. Fancy some nasturtium seeds?

[deepinthewoods]

   thank you yes! i have a soft spot for nasturtiums, how did you know?

[escapedtothecountry]

Direct message me your name/address and consider them in the post! Look at us playing nicely.

[bloomer]

ok go back to arguing i can't handle the nice...

[escapedtothecountry]

ok go back to arguing i can't handle the nice...

No no... we were far too articulate to be arguing. We were debating... sparring even. LOL