[Beewyched]

I see what you're saying Ff & that woman needs stopping - should not your local AH dept be dealing with this?
If we consider my original start to this thread ...
... anyone considering breeding from their dogs should apply for a Stage 3 licence - hopefully this will eradicate most of the inherited conditions & if folks have to put some thought into producing puppies, then many of them won't do it.
And ...
If every puppy is micro-chipped before leaving the breeder, then any health problems can be traced back to the individual dog (which may have passed all it's breed tests, but have a genetic throwback issue) - so that dog can then be neutered/spayed, if it passes problems down the line.
Then ANYONE breeding puppies can be held accountable and swift & prompt action (including huge fines to help finance the "policing" & publicity) can be taken against those who refuse to comply.
Please folks, don't let this thread turn into some personality attack - we all know there are problems with dog breeding / puppy farming, I'm just trying to explore ways to consider of how to start dealing with it - for the welfare of the animals, not folks' pockets   
 

[doganjo]

That may work for pure bred dogs but what about the cross breeds? I know of a lady who has a shi tzu bitch and chuhaha boy, at least one of the pups from each litter are born dead and the rest die of heart failure by 10 weeks old. I have had to console new owners andtheir  families when their puppy dies or is put down. It is a hereditary heart condition, the breeder does not care and who can stop her selling puppies?

Exactly why we need legislation

[Beewyched]

That may work for pure bred dogs but what about the cross breeds? I know of a lady who has a shi tzu bitch and chuhaha boy, at least one of the pups from each litter are born dead and the rest die of heart failure by 10 weeks old. I have had to console new owners andtheir  families when their puppy dies or is put down. It is a hereditary heart condition, the breeder does not care and who can stop her selling puppies?

Exactly why we need legislation

So true Annie 
Btw - IS there anyone with any legal "clout" that this "breeder" can be reported to?

[doganjo]

I've had success in the past with e-petitions with the Government. Anyone want to have a go?  I would but I have another one on at the moment in Scotland unrelated to animals.

[Beewyched]

Sounds interesting Annie - tell me more about the process?

[SteveHants]

We need legislation to prevent dogs shagging?


Is this all a bit surreal?


Before I bought my collie last year, I have only ever had either 'types' of dog or deliberate crossbreds (terriers and lurchers).


It was one of the thing that appealed to me about Patterdales over the other terriers, that they are not a 'breed' but a type, and that new blood can be added - keeps the gene pool nice and wide.


Should I be in prison?

[Beewyched]

...

Should I be in prison?

I dunno Steve? why what have you done 
This started in response to another thread regarding health & welfare problems caused by "breeders"/puppy farmers & has now developed to include cross-breds, this can also be used for "working dogs". 
Something needs to be done & I though it was a good idea to "put it out there", so everyone can input & their views/ideas can be taken into account.

[doganjo]

Sounds interesting Annie - tell me more about the process?

If you go onto the Holyrood website it guides you through it.  The Office staff will help reword any petition to make it more interesting/appealing/likely to be taken up by the petitions committee.
here's the link, I daresay there is something similar on the Westminster and Llywodraeth Cymru websites.
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/gettinginvolved/petitions/HowToPetition.aspx

[SteveHants]

...

Should I be in prison?

I dunno Steve? why what have you done 
This started in response to another thread regarding health & welfare problems caused by "breeders"/puppy farmers & has now developed to include cross-breds, this can also be used for "working dogs". 
Something needs to be done & I though it was a good idea to "put it out there", so everyone can input & their views/ideas can be taken into account.

Aye, I know, and it was slightly tongue in cheek.


But I think, in reality, you have as much chance of stopping dogs from shagging each other either by design or by accident as you have urinating successfully into a force 8.

[Beewyched]

Sounds interesting Annie - tell me more about the process?

If you go onto the Holyrood website it guides you through it.  The Office staff will help reword any petition to make it more interesting/appealing/likely to be taken up by the petitions committee.
here's the link, I daresay there is something similar on the Westminster and Llywodraeth Cymru websites.
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/gettinginvolved/petitions/HowToPetition.aspx

Thanks Annie 

[Beewyched]

... as you have urinating successfully into a force 8.

Never tried that myself Steve 

[Moleskins]

the breeder does not care and who can stop her selling puppies?

Can't the Kennel Club just not register them, or are they not registered because they're a cross breed ?
The sooner we have a dog Stasi the better, then all breeding can be in the hands of the select few.
OK I'm taking the p with that last bit.

[Beewyched]

Xbreds don'tget registered - though lately some have been creating designer crosses (thinking labradoodles etc here)
I'm not looking to make dog breeding some elitist activity - just exploring ways it can be monitored in the best welfare of the animals 

[doganjo]

We need legislation to prevent dogs shagging?

No Steve, to stop any old T D or H from using their 'pet' as a money tree and ignoring any health issues the dog might have.

Sorry if I come across as weird and maybe over assertive - I just have very strong views as I've had two dogs in the past with hereditary health issues and also inadvertently bred some as a result of problems being hidden from us.  Heartbreak has made me angry about how things are allowed to happen.

[Moleskins]

I'm not looking to make dog breeding some elitist activity - just exploring ways it can be monitored in the best welfare of the animals 

We need legislation to prevent dogs shagging?

No Steve, to stop any old T D or H from using their 'pet' as a money tree and ignoring any health issues the dog might have.

Sorry if I come across as weird and maybe over assertive - I just have very strong views as I've had two dogs in the past with hereditary health issues and also inadvertently bred some as a result of problems being hidden from us.  Heartbreak has made me angry about how things are allowed to happen.

Beewyched, be careful what you wish for, you might just get it. I agree dog breeding is far from perfect at the moment, puppy farmers down the road and a brother who gets all the leave offs from a breeder or ones with health issues from a home. So I think I know a bit about what I'm talking about / doing / saying.


Doganjo, what can I say, by all means we need to deter any T D or H from using a non health checked dog as a means of paying the bills. But what about the aforementioned Jim who has bred responsibly. As you've said, you'd  stop him too. In that respect, yes, you do come across as weird and over assertive if not worse.


Personally, I'd rather have one of Jims pups than one from the a***h**e of a breeder who was up to her neck in the KC and offloaded her worn out bitches onto my brother.


So unless you've got me on blocked and are not reading this ( head in the sand ? ).
Are you happy to leave breeding solely in the hands of the lady above who clearly ran her breeding and showing as a business.