Author Topic: Survival  (Read 51450 times)

robert waddell

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Re: Survival
« Reply #90 on: January 29, 2012, 01:47:51 pm »
is that the french government   or the British government :farmer:

RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
Survival
« Reply #91 on: January 29, 2012, 04:39:44 pm »
Yes YG , TPTB , are carrying out covert ops on a grand scale . So much so that it is impossible to tell which actions are genuine anymore .
Not being a team player myself , i watch from the sideline , and act or react , as i see fit .
My lifestyle is very different from the norm . This is not due to the pending mayhem , but just due to me wanting something different from the insanity that has become the norm .
 It just so happens that my way of life has inadvertantly , prepared me for what seems to be just around the corner.
Maybe things will just keep on as they are now , if they do then the world truly is doomed .
Whatever happens , i will just keep watching and doing my own thing.
 But if tshtf , then maybe my way of life becomes the norm ! I then have to try to help family , if they want help ? , and anyone else that needs help.
About 12 family members are semi prepared to come over if things get wobbly .
I just hope if/when the shtf , it does so in summer !

yankieGirl

  • Joined Jan 2011
  • Pennsylvania, USA
Re: Survival
« Reply #92 on: January 29, 2012, 05:21:02 pm »

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But if tshtf , then maybe my way of life becomes the norm ! I then have to try to help family , if they want help ?

I've changed my way of thinking about food on my shelves.  I keep my shelves stocked the way my mom did 40 years ago.  Enough to last me a month without a trip to the store. 

I don't think that is crazy.   I don't think the world is coming to an end but I do for see a time of disruption.  Caused by...I don't know.  Stores carry 3 days worth of supplies (ever been to a Pennsylvania store the day before a forcast snow?   haha I guess not....    Anyway no bread, milk, snack food.... That is a reaction to 4 inches of snow. 

Amazing we live at a time when being prepared and living responsibly is scoffed at.

deepinthewoods

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Re: Survival
« Reply #93 on: January 29, 2012, 05:27:21 pm »
its the 'just in time' rather than the old 'just in case' model of retailing.

RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
Survival
« Reply #94 on: January 29, 2012, 05:52:16 pm »
Not just scoffed at either YG , the mock , ridicule , attack brigade do exactly that . Why ?   when most of them have one or more freezers , pay huge amounts into pension schemes , that are now all but worthless ! Yet still they take the p*ss !
 The m,r,a brigade aren't worth argueing with , but i do have a dig back now and then !, i just feel sorry for them mainly , as it is their way of life that is totally unsustainable and about to fall to bits , money money money !

As you say yg , store as much as you can , then grow what you can , and enjoy life as best you can .

Small Farmer

  • Joined Jan 2012
  • Bedfordshire
Re: Survival
« Reply #95 on: January 29, 2012, 11:50:12 pm »
I reckon a months supply gives you the time to keep your head down while everyone else loses theirs.  And then get on with surviving.  I was also taught that the three classes of investment assets in bad times were cash, canned food and cartridges, much as MAK said earlier.

I suspect the collapse of RBS - or indeed HBoS for that matter - would have been well beyond ugly riots in the streets.  All the banks would close, the cash machines would stop and the card networks would close.   A barter economy would take a while to get going, so people would have to steal to live.  That would cause a lot of deaths as the police and army would be overwhelmed - and unpaid.  You wouldn't need to pay back the mortgage, but the house might not survive.

Saw something in the papers today that said the head of Barclays was likely to get a £15m bonus.   So how does this play?  Labour hired Hester and agreed his contract, but want to have a vote to renege on it.  So Hester quits RBS and gets hired by someone for a huge pay check plus no politics.  The Tories then have to hire a replacement, but all the good guys say FO you gotta be kidding, so either they hire a bozo who blows it all to hell or they pay someone £15m salary no bonus, Either way we all lose.

Damn.




 
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Crafty Soo

  • Joined Jul 2012
  • Hampshire
Re: Survival
« Reply #96 on: August 04, 2012, 10:12:13 am »

As you say yg , store as much as you can , then grow what you can , and enjoy life as best you can .

I have read this thread with great interest and, despite it's age, consider it worth resurrecting... If only to find out if anyone has changed their viewpoint in the intervening period. :)

My viewpoint is coloured by the way I was raised and life experiences, and it has seen me through floods, power cuts and various other crises. Being prepared is common sense and having something as simple as a sandbag, to put down your toilet if there's a flood, can make a huge difference.  ;)

I have no doubt that very rough times are in store over the next few years and no illusions that government help will be readily available. The advice given above is good, sound, extremely practical and well worth taking. :thumbsup:

RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
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« Reply #97 on: August 04, 2012, 07:32:56 pm »
Crafty Soo , not changed my view at all on this , in fact i am even more certain that things will go tits up . It is the timing that is hard to predict .
 The only answer 'they' can keep coming up with is 'print more money' , for yet another bailout .
These 'bailouts'? are now in the trillions of £/$/€ and still they think it will save the economy/euro/dollar etc .
Try to do the same with credit cards , it don't work !
Credit cards , mmmm debt cards in reality , but don't tell anyone .
Still , i keep my stores at about 6 months plus what veg i manage to grow , a bad year here so far !
Wood for heating etc i have plenty of , water from springs , no debt , no bills , and no jaw infection !
If we get through the olympics ok , then i think we have about 6-9 months before the real meltdown begins . All assuming that Israel (usa) doesn't hit Iran beforehand . I did think that tswhtf before the elections in the usa , it may well still do ! But so far so good , unless you live in Greece , Spain , Ireland , Italy .
Have come across a few mock , ridicule , attack individuals that followed the government brainwashing regime of blame everything on the disabled and unemployed  who are now themselves unemployed . A couple have lost their new cars and their house , all the toys that huge money buys , they are not shouting so loud now ! In fact they are now shouting about how can they be expected to live on the paltry amount they get in benefits !
Even more are trying to sellup at huge loss .
Keep food cupboards full .  Plenty of basics such as flour , rice , pasta , oats , peas , beans and veg like spuds , carrots , swede , enough for 3 months or so , plus as much tinned food as you can , and you will be ok for the winter at least . 
In ww2 the motto was 'dig for victory' , now it should be 'dig for survival' .

Crafty Soo

  • Joined Jul 2012
  • Hampshire
Re: Survival
« Reply #98 on: August 05, 2012, 12:03:23 am »
Thanks for responding RUSTYME.

I grew up with a store cupboard system because we often got snowed in and it is also the most economical way to feed a family. I carried on using one when I set up in my own home and always had a few months supplies. When the stock markets went mental in July 2007 I extended it to include grains for milling my own flour too. I also invested in several fruit trees, soft fruit bushes and turned my gardens over to vegetables.

The stock markets, casinos is a better word mind, have been artificially propped up since 2007. Economic collapse, on a global scale, is a foregone conclusion.  I worked in finance for most of my life and it is mathematically impossible to expire the amount of debt in existence. If the banks had been allowed to fail and pay for their greed there would have been a much shorter, if harsher, period of hardship. Bail outs are just prolonging the process - you can't get out of a hole by digging deeper.  ::)

I spent a couple of years trying to convince family and friends to prepare then just did my own thing. Over the last two years they've all come around to my way of thinking and decided I'm not 'crazy' after all.  :D
Sorry to hear you've had a bad year so far, growing wise. My fruit has been loving the rain but I do wonder why my area still has a hose pipe ban! Luckily for me my friend has had success in the crops I have lost and vice versa, which is handy. I'm going to be dehydrating a lot of produce this year, for the first time, too. Using gadgets while I can but have contingency plans in place for dealing with power loss.

It's possible to heat a room and boil a kettle using tea-light candles, two bricks and a baking tray...can't remember exactly how many candles but about ten would do it.  ;D Take care my friend.   :wave:


RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
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« Reply #99 on: August 05, 2012, 02:02:53 am »
No probs cs ,
yes i often wonder if these so called geniuses that run the banks etc , the ones who command those obcene wages and bonuses , are as clever as the government think they are . If they were surely the world economy wouldn't be in the bottomless pit of doo doo that it is . Mind you they are clever enough to still get paid millions even after the crash and all the corruption shocks . 
I have stepped off the system bit by bit and regret nothing , apart from not doing it years ago .
The system just cannot continue as is , when those running it are as corrupt as they are . Yet we in the uk allow them to continue , we even pay them to do so .
I am 54 and grew up in post war uk , when things were reletively normal . There were 9 in my family and not much money . I had 2 allotments when i was 11 , and they produced huge amounts of veg that kept us going all year round .
Most of my life i have continued to grow my own food but life has got in the way here and there.
So many people these days, don't have a clue how to grow anything . How they will cope when the shops go empty i hate to think .
The tea lights do work , i used to keep a greenhouse frost free with one placed inside 2 clay flowerpots .
For heating and cooking i now work with wood grown on the land and charcoal i also make from it , i can't afford candles and tealights , really ! ,the wood is free though .
 

mcginty

  • Joined Apr 2010
  • Tyrone, N.I.
Re: Survival
« Reply #100 on: August 05, 2012, 11:58:22 pm »
Read this thread with interest, i am not holding my breath,but
it may be a improvement as people have got vary greedy.
Slow the thing up, back to basics.
That's the way the cookie crumbles.

yankieGirl

  • Joined Jan 2011
  • Pennsylvania, USA
Re: Survival
« Reply #101 on: August 17, 2012, 08:13:24 pm »
Nice to see this thread active again.  I love to know what you folks across the ocean are thinking.
 
My question is given how bad things look here in the USA and over there, why aren't more people concerned?
 
I too have been stocking up keeping the cupboards full and minding my garden.  Ordered more chicks.  Cow to butcher in the fall etc.

RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
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« Reply #102 on: August 17, 2012, 09:22:26 pm »
Hello yg ,
i don't know what people think in general over there , but here the majority seem  think things are fine , a bit of a rough patch at the moment , but things will soon sort out .
Well maybe they are right ? I hope they are .
But i think that tswhtf oct/nov time , and it could be very nasty .
I don't bother trying to talk about it now . Those that think as i do will be aware and ready , those that think otherwise will learn different soon enough .
Got to go for a bit , be back soon.

mab

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • carmarthenshire
Re: Survival
« Reply #103 on: August 17, 2012, 09:36:43 pm »
Well I think some people don't want to think it's all going to go pearshaped and some think it'll be OK, but most are thinking they can't do much about it, whatever way it goes and will just have to cope with whatever comes when it comes.

Personally, I think they'll hold it off for another year or two at least.

the great composto

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Re: Survival
« Reply #104 on: August 17, 2012, 10:30:42 pm »
So is there anything in particular that makes you think the situation is worse now than in january?

 

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