Author Topic: verm x  (Read 13395 times)

harry

  • Joined Mar 2009
verm x
« on: July 31, 2011, 09:26:11 pm »
anyone tried verm x ??????

HappyHippy

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Re: verm x
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2011, 10:26:15 pm »
I've not tried it, but as far as I know it's a herbal remedy to control worms (it doesn't neccesarily eradicate them  :-\)
Play it safe, get a worm count done and if need be, jab them with noro/ivo-mectin (It's only about £14 a bottle) that way, you know they're worm free and you'll not likely need to repeat it before slaughter  ;)

lachlanandmarcus

  • Joined Aug 2010
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: verm x
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2011, 10:54:51 pm »
Agree!

They were taken to advertising standards for using the word 'control' worms/parasites, and are no longer able to use that wording

http://www.asa.org.uk/ASA-action/Adjudications/2009/4/Paddocks-Farm-Partnership-Ltd/TF_ADJ_46136.aspx

Money  much better spent on worm counts - if they are clear, you dont need the wormer, if they're not, you need an effective wormer that will deal with the problem!

Mel

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Re: verm x
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2011, 07:35:07 am »
Hi,I have and do use it regularly on our hens though to confirm how well it works,I have just ordered a worm count kit for our hens,shall let you all know the results very soon,it shall be interesting.I have to say though,I have yet to see a worm in their poop!

I have not tried using it for anything else as of yet,I am buying a worm count kit for my pigs from SFS and dependant of the results on the hens,I shall make my mind up then.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2011, 07:38:36 am by leghorn »

Mel

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Re: verm x
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2011, 07:36:32 am »
Agree!

They were taken to advertising standards for using the word 'control' worms/parasites, and are no longer able to use that wording

http://www.asa.org.uk/ASA-action/Adjudications/2009/4/Paddocks-Farm-Partnership-Ltd/TF_ADJ_46136.aspx

Money  much better spent on worm counts - if they are clear, you dont need the wormer, if they're not, you need an effective wormer that will deal with the problem!
I just read this article and they are still using "natural control of internal parasites"..

harry

  • Joined Mar 2009
Re: verm x
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2011, 08:52:20 am »
forgive me ime a pig newby ... but whats the point of haveing a worm count, about £10 per pig when i can buy a bottle of wormer for £14 and worm them..... cos when i do the worm count they might be clear but get them next week??????????????????????

Mel

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Re: verm x
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2011, 08:58:07 am »
forgive me ime a pig newby ... but whats the point of haveing a worm count, about £10 per pig when i can buy a bottle of wormer for £14 and worm them..... cos when i do the worm count they might be clear but get them next week??????????????????????
Your pigs should or may already have been wormed by the breeder,I'm told they may not need doing again prior to slaughter but I am probably overly cautious where my animals are concerned,I would prefer to know they are all in tip top health.As far as I am aware it does not cost £10.00 per pig,just £10.00 for the kit and place a few samples in?-Well that's what I was advised.The point is that they may not need worming,but if they do,you need to source the correct dosage and product to deal with infestations.

lachlanandmarcus

  • Joined Aug 2010
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: verm x
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2011, 09:02:57 am »
Mainly because there are only a couple of core classes of wormer active ingredients, and when you blanket treat (and sometimes people under dose by mistake), the worms eventually become resistant to the core chemical. This is becoming a major problem in practice not only a theory, and since there is no obvious totally new classes of wormers, if we all carried on as in the past just worming as routine, then in the not too distant future we will have no effective wormers left to use on the animals.

Horse owners for decades routinely wormed (and if you didnt you would be considered very irresponsible), but as resistance problems have grown, so attitudes have changed and 'intelligent worming (worm counts plus targeted worming when and if needed) is now becoming the norm.

The other reason is these are pretty nasty chemicals to be having spread over your land and very harmful to the beneficial bugs eg dung beetles that magically make dung disappear and stop fields becoming one big dung heap. They can also find their way into the water supply.

The need to worm as routine may be increased if there is a high stocking rate but for animals farmed extensively and kept for any length of time, worm counting plus targeted worming is far preferable to blanket chemical use.

Mel

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Re: verm x
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2011, 09:05:02 am »
Mainly because there are only a couple of core classes of wormer active ingredients, and when you blanket treat (and sometimes people under dose by mistake), the worms eventually become resistant to the core chemical. This is becoming a major problem in practice not only a theory, and since there is no obvious totally new classes of wormers, if we all carried on as in the past just worming as routine, then in the not too distant future we will have no effective wormers left to use on the animals.

Horse owners for decades routinely wormed (and if you didnt you would be considered very irresponsible), but as resistance problems have grown, so attitudes have changed and 'intelligent worming (worm counts plus targeted worming when and if needed) is now becoming the norm.

The other reason is these are pretty nasty chemicals to be having spread over your land and very harmful to the beneficial bugs eg dung beetles that magically make dung disappear and stop fields becoming one big dung heap. They can also find their way into the water supply.

The need to worm as routine may be increased if there is a high stocking rate but for animals farmed extensively and kept for any length of time, worm counting plus targeted worming is far preferable to blanket chemical use.
Put much better than I could have done ;-)

Re: verm x
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2011, 09:17:24 am »
I agree with all of the above, plus when you buy your weaners you cannot be 100% certain that the breeder / supplier has wormed them correctly (if at all??).

There are several farms now where it is impractical to keep sheep - because of worms that are immune to wormers, being on the land - this is a result of continued and incorrect use of chemical wormers.

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Beewyched

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • South Wales
    • tunkeyherd.co.uk
Re: verm x
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2011, 09:31:18 am »
I have used verm x for my chucks, not used it for my Kunes though.  I usually use Ivomectin (jabs) or Flubenol (jam sandwich) - no guess which they prefer  ;) ;D
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Tiva Diva

  • Joined Mar 2011
  • Scottish Borders
    • Thornielee Cottage
Re: verm x
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2011, 12:28:42 pm »
Quote from SfS
"plus when you buy your weaners you cannot be 100% certain that the breeder / supplier has wormed them correctly (if at all??)."
If you buy from a reputable breeder they should tell you when, and with what, they wormed the weaners. We worm all ours with Ivomectin at 8-9 weeks. Perhaps I shouldn't bother! If you assume the breeder HASN'T wormed the weaners, and worm them yourself, but they have actually been wormed, isn't that likely to cause problems with resistance?

robert waddell

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Re: verm x
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2011, 12:49:48 pm »
this thread has potential         the good breeder v the could not give a stuff breeder           the cheep weaner as opposed to a pedigree weaner is it not better to buy a quality weaner that all you have to do is provide good food plenty of water a warm dry shelter and enjoy the experience rather than panic and waste money upset your pigs  spend more on feeding and keep them longer
it is a simple choice  :farmer:

Fowgill Farm

  • Joined Feb 2009
Re: verm x
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2011, 01:00:02 pm »
Agree Robert. You pays your money you takes your choice!
A cheap weaner can end up costing you more, sometimes they're weaned too early, not properly and not wormedand end up costing you more in the long run. As previously stated a reputable breeder will do all these things the right way, we wean from mum and keep them separate on their own for a week during which time we check that they're feeding and drinking by themselves, they're wormed and all is well for them to be sold onwards. I would be appalled if anyone had problems with stock i had sold them but soem are not so scupulous.
Buyer beware and ask the right questions.
Mandy  :pig:

harry

  • Joined Mar 2009
Re: verm x
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2011, 02:10:13 pm »
in a post WHATS THE BEST WORMER a link is shown to a worm count kit.... £9.99 isnt that for 1 kit for 1 pig?

 

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