[robert waddell]

hello confused from south of the border welcome to the forum
we all benefit from others misfortune either directly or indirectly
yes south of the border has a very big problem with TB and a lot of farmers are envious of our TB status it should not be for you to take the hump and spit the dummy out because Scotland has the opportunity to fulfill  and provide TB free stock of any description
you are living in a delusional world with your ethics and business practise

[oaklandspigs]

you are living in a delusional world with your ethics and business practise

Lillian,

Have not taken hump, am very pleased that Scotland is Bovine and human TB free and spat my last dummy many years ago !

But thanks for clearing that up, and am happy to be dillusional - has worked well for me for far - but obviously being dillusional I would say that 

Have a good day tomorrow

[robert waddell]

thank you we hope to have a good day and encourage others to venture into the world of showing pigs you never know we may come down mob handed to some of the English shows 

[HappyHippy]

Ah, Robert - did you finally let Lillian onto the pc ? or have you taken your happy pills now lol!

Just so's we're all clear - I'm TOTALLY dillusional too, mad as a hatter 

I don't like all the fighting ! And I don't think any of us should be having a go at others ethics and business practices unless we've seen for ourselves...........Robert

God, trying (and failing) to be peacekeeper isn't easy  I'll need to get a bigger stick I think 

[robert waddell]

dillusional is anybody trying to make a living from pigs  there is the posibility we may like the big stick

[oaklandspigs]

One of the things about a forum is that it should contain views, otherwise it is just an electronic q&a.

I don't think Lillian/Robert & I will ever be in total harmony (actually I am certain of this!), but I am always interested in their views, but disagree with some (maybe many) of them, and will continue to do so, and say so. 

I still wish the SPKA association the best, and am really keen for it to succeed, we need more not less pig keepers.

[robert waddell]

(we need more not less pig keepers) that is an oportunity for both of us  or enrichment
well i am looking forward to meeting you and your o/h i just love a challange

[Mr Pig]

Please just step back a pace. The absurdity of the remark that Scottish pigs have a big export opportunity is basically flawed. Read the post from Oaklands quoting the Pig Site. You can take pigs anywhere from the world into a TB hotspot in England (Avian or Bovine) and they will be just as susceptable to the disease as those born within a mile. Just because you don't have TB in Scotland doesn't make your pigs immune. It just means it hasn't reached you.... yet.

[robert waddell]

mr  pig the absurdity is your remark
just take a few more steps further back       oh to late you just fell over

[HappyHippy]

Just when I thought peace and relative harmony had been restored 

The absurdity of the remark that Scottish pigs have a big export opportunity is basically flawed.

I don't remember us saying there was a big export opportunity - I think the phrase was "could this be a marketing opportunity ?"

You can take pigs anywhere from the world into a TB hotspot in England (Avian or Bovine) and they will be just as susceptable to the disease as those born within a mile. Just because you don't have TB in Scotland doesn't make your pigs immune.

Again, we didin't actually say Scottish pigs wouldn't get TB - only that there is less of a chance of our pigs contracting it in the same way as the quoted post at the begining (badgers & bovine TB) because Scotland is TB free.

It just means it hasn't reached you.... yet.

Ah, so you're a glass half empty kinda person Mr Pig  Sending you some smiles and positivity

[manian]

Just when I thought peace and relative harmony had been restored 

The absurdity of the remark that Scottish pigs have a big export opportunity is basically flawed.

I don't remember us saying there was a big export opportunity - I think the phrase was "could this be a marketing opportunity ?"

You can take pigs anywhere from the world into a TB hotspot in England (Avian or Bovine) and they will be just as susceptable to the disease as those born within a mile. Just because you don't have TB in Scotland doesn't make your pigs immune.

Again, we didin't actually say Scottish pigs wouldn't get TB - only that there is less of a chance of our pigs contracting it in the same way as the quoted post at the begining (badgers & bovine TB) because Scotland is TB free.

It just means it hasn't reached you.... yet.

Ah, so you're a glass half empty kinda person Mr Pig  Sending you some smiles and positivity

i'll help you out with positivity HH 
you may be getting worn out!

[HappyHippy]

Thank you Manian   

[Mr Pig]

could this be a marketing oportunity for scottish pigs(for export)

Sorry HH but selective editing doesn't fool many people.

Sure you're unlikely at the moment to get TB while the pigs are in Scotland but the point I was making in response to SEVERAL quotes about export is that the nature of TB is that once the animal is in an infected zone it is as likely as the next to contract it. This makes a mockery of your rather gloating tone from Scotland that you should enjoy extra sales of TB-free stock.

TB is a very nasty disease and it brings misery to hundreds of farmers in England and Wales every week and I personally don't think it's a subject to gloat about in any sense. Sure I may be pessimistic or looking at a glass half empty but that sure beats living in cloud cuckoo land thinking it'll never happen here. I'm afraid that that was the attitude among some cattle famers in Yorkshire a few years ago but it ain't now.

[HappyHippy]

Do you know something Mr Pig - I think you just like argueing  
And selective editing or not - the fact remains that what was said was "COULD" !
We're unlikely to even persue such a thing tbh - it was more a thinking out load kinda thing, kicking a few ideas about, something which might have been an option for members of the Scottish Pig Keepers Association.
Nor did I ever say, at any point, that Scottish pigs wouldn't get TB - I meant that while in Scotland they could be considered TB free. I do not gloat, you're comment TB is a very nasty disease and it brings misery to hundreds of farmers in England and Wales every week and I personally don't think it's a subject to gloat about in any sense has really upset me and I think it's in very bad taste to even suggest I am gloating   I would NEVER seek to gain from anyone else's misfortune and am deeply offended that you think that's the kind of person I am
I've seen farmers brought to their knees because of disease. IN FACT my father was one of them   He gave up his beef herd in the 80's with the onset of BSE, so don't think you can lecture me about how awful it is - I KNOW HOW AWFUL IT IS, I'VE LIVED IT  
Maybe I DO live in cloud cukoo land, but do you know what - I'm happy, my kids and hubby are happy - we're not hurting anyone, we're not trying to bring anybody down we're just doing what we do and trying to promote what we've worked hard to achieve - if that makes me a bad person then so be it.
Karen  
PS Who are you Mr Pig ? What's your pedigree ? I don't mean that in any kind of nasty way - it's just I've read through all your old posts and you've never posted an intro. I know you've got lots of experience since you're in that habit of dealing with more than 1000 pigs to slaughter every year (saw that on one of your posts) and you seem to be well into your GOS and saddlebacks but I can't figure out who you are...................very mysterious  

[robert waddell]

mr pig what a stupid statement you have made
has pigs been exported from Scotland (other than cast sows and boars) not that i am aware
mockery and gloating tone THAT IS YOUR TWISTED INTERPRITATION i did not mock or gloat at the present situation as i said before i would not publicise the misfortune in the first place
and why has the situation escalated to the scale it is at badgers like foxes have that cutsie factor that the general public oooh and aaah at
now i travel quite a bit in the UK and it is only Scotland that has a suicidal badger population(poor buggers never make it past the white line donating the side of the road)