[Fowgill Farm]

On the GOS website one of our members has has TB discovered in one of his pigs. DEFRA not knowing what to do have put him on standstill for 12 months.
If anyone can help or offer advice please go to the GOS website and do so.
Many thanks
Mandy  
THis is the original post
We have had a confirmed case of Bovine TB in a pig sent to slaughter in January. Although rare, more cases are being reported in pigs especially from outdoor units.(Badgers being the cause). The problem is that Defra do not seem to know how to deal with this and their solution at the moment is to put a total movement restriction order on me for 12 months!!! This is a serious situation for us and is now a major worry.

If anyone has any experience of this, I would be very grateful to hear from you as I don't seem to be getting anywhere.

Still thinking positively!
Mark

[HappyHippy]

That IS a worry  I have badgers in my area too   
I presume movements to slaughter are still okay, as it is with cattle ?
I can't offer any advice I'm afraid 

[HappyHippy]

I was at the vet's this morning and mentioned to her about this because I'd got myself into a bit of a tiz about it (we've got a badger set on our land and have seen them wandering past the pigs  ) but she's reassured me that Scotland is TB free, so the chances of this occuring in Scottish born and bred pigs is VERY slight, if at all. Obviously there's more of a risk with stock brought from South of the border into Scotland, but from my point of view it has definately reassured me.

I'm sorry Mandy, I know it doesn't help with your post - but I wanted to try and save other Scottish pig keepers getting the extra grey hairs I've developed over the last few days  I'm away to get another hair dye lol! 

[robert waddell]

could this be a marketing oportunity for scottish pigs(for export)

[Beewyched]

Definately something for discussion on Sunday 

[Roxy]

Our farm has been in the same ownership for 50 years, and been TB  free during that time.  Two years ago, some of the pigs at the intensive farm up the lane from us got out.  They went captured, and a while later sent for slaughter, and found to have TB.  From what I gather those pigs must have caught the TB in their brief spell outside - and it would not be long.  5 farms were then affected including ours.  None of my cows, goats, etc. were affected, but most of the herd belonging to a farmer who rented some of our land, have been slaughtered.

As I understood it, if you were TB free area, you would hopefully remain so, as the badgers are veru territorial, and would not let other family groups in, but it looks as thought one or more infected badgers did just that, here at least.

[oaklandspigs]

Interesting...

The Pig Site says "The causal organism, Mycobacterium tuberculosis, is sub-classified into types, human, bovine and avian...Pigs are rarely infected by the human or bovine types but are commonly infected by the avian/intracellulare complex. "

According to the site causal factors are :

"The disease does not spread between pigs and should be regarded as an environmental infection. It is rarely diagnosed in living pigs.
Paddocks that have been treated with poultry manure up to one year previously, (or, in the case of bovine TB, which have been grazed by infected cattle or badgers).
Avian TB as the name implies is found in wild birds. The organism is shed in large numbers via droppings and therefore food, grain or bedding contaminated by birds becomes a potent source.
Peat often contains M. intracellulare. Peat is used both for bedding and gut stimulation in the young piglets. It should only be used if it as been pasteurised.
Water contaminated by M. avium/intracellulare is often a source. "

So not necessarily badgers or bovine TB in all cases.

Don't feel that the SPKA should be marketing based on others misfortune.

[robert waddell]

oaklands as far as i am aware any export of pigs (with bpa involvement)always appears to be an elitist few
only last year i was aghast at one of those(few) proclaiming to me WHY SHOULD I CONTRIBUTE TO THE bpa in Scotland the bpa does nothing in Scotland
from what you have printed and quoted there appears to be missinformation on one part the state vets the other a gos breeder and the pig site being the all seeing all knowing source of knowledge
now Scotland is acknowledged as being bovine TB free you cant argue with that

or has the gos breeder unearthed the next galloping lurgie that will decimate pig farming
marketing   as one door closes another opens

[HappyHippy]

Don't feel that the SPKA should be marketing based on others misfortune.

Really Robin 
I'm not the kind of person who would ever try to gain out of anyone's misfortune and I do feel terrible for the person in question It's an awful situation and one I pray is sorted out soon and that I never have to face 
But as Lillian says, Scotland is TB free, so what's wrong with saying it and telling people ? Not in a "oh we're better than them" way, just stating facts. 

I'm a firm believer that there are 2 kinds of people in this world -
Those who work away doing what they do and getting there on their own merits or
Those who try to make themselves look better by downing others.
I'm definately the former, and have no time for the latter at all 

Why, oh why, OH WHY do you feel the need to pick holes and comment negatively on our posts (in fact, lets be honest about it - it's Lillians/Roberts posts that seem to get the broad end of your sword) - you're making assumptions about what we're saying or going to do. And to assume makes an ass of u and me

We're (the SPKA) are just starting out, all self funded as we're not getting grants from anywhere and we're trying to do our bit and help promote our pigs and pork - hopefully you can see that this is important to us. The BPA doesn't do a huge amount of work north of the border, so it's with their approval that we formed and started the SPKA to do a little bit more at a local level.
I WILL NOT be made to feel guilty for being proud of our pigs ! 
What would your stance be, I wonder, if the boot was on the other foot 
Karen x

[HappyHippy]

Hubby's just read this and told me it sounds like I'm looking for a fight 
I'm not   

[Beewyched]

Oh dear 

I don't think that you are looking for a fight Karen - just stating facts.  AND I can't see what the problem is in promoting produce from a certain location - it's a marketing tool that's been done for years.

I just hope that things get sorted soon for Mark, the GOS owner - judging from what Oaklands has researched DEFRA seem to be mis-handling the issue. 

 

[robert waddell]

as is all to often with posters they write the minimal of information with there requests/pleas or whatever (try getting a prognosis from a doctor by just complaining about a pain without stating were it is when it happens and severity)
i now wait till the post has evolved a bit before adding anything to it and still get it in the neck  i could write reams on my feelings about the anomaly's that there are in this world of pig rearing and sometimes it despairs me with what is written on web sites(the bpa charges is one i would love to bear all on but will let others talk crap on and laugh at there lack of understanding)
o
ooooohhhhhh i am so holding back i just want to get a rake of fornication's in here
the original post clearly stated BOVINE T B not avian and not human

[oaklandspigs]

I cannot help but feel that anyone who's fist post when someone has TB is "could this be a marketing oportunity for scottish pigs(for export)" does not and should not deserve my support.  

I feel it was and still is a crass remark made insentively, and just ask how you would feel seeing that post if you were Mark.

Yes I have also commented on other insensitive remarks by Lilliian, and really feel that you are trying to say that Lillian can attack who she/he likes in his/her very blunt way, but those assertions cannot be questioned.

I always try and add value and information to all discussions on this forum, and continue to wish the SPKA every success, but just wish your president would occasionally pause and consider the impact of his/her messages before posting.

[robert waddell]

o dear oaklands appears upset   
anything we have achieved in the world of pigs has been done solely on our hard work and endeavours
that could be the key to this difference of opinion and clash of views i doubt if you would walk away from any opportunity to add value and increase sales on the back of some others misfortune
i have said before i do not do tea and sympathy and to old to change my ways
what you added was verbatim it is all to easy to engage search engine and copy some others endeavours as is all to common in this modern world
how i would feel YOU ASK ME HOW I WOULD FEEL well i would not be inclined to post my missfortunes  on a public web site that eliminates the problem before it is started
and i am still holding back

[oaklandspigs]

key to this difference of opinion and clash of views  I doubt if you would walk away from any opportunity to add value and increase sales on the back of some others misfortune

Sorry Lillian, like HH says "I'm not the kind of person who would ever try to gain out of anyone's misfortune "

So if that is a key difference, I presume it is you that would be happy to do so?

If not, then why your post?

Confused from south of the border !