[princesspiggy]

kids should be taught cos i was town raised and i had no idea at all. had to teach myself. i at first thought ud need cockeral to get eggs!
and 1st time i gutted chicken, i cudt work out what the big hard lump was! knowledge should be passed down. im teaching myself jam and bread making but i wish id learnt it as kid.

[Eve]

Same here, plus I had a mother who only cooked bog standard food and wouldn't even prepare a red cabbage because it coloured her hands! 

Now I have this hunger (excuse the pun  ) to learn everything there is about real food. I'm slowly but surely getting my head around things but I so wish someone had taught me properly.

The 2 years of cookery classes at our school were useless, btw, they didn't actually explain how things worked and it all tasted either burnt of bland - we were really pleased when the kitchens were turned into IT rooms!   

Pastrami coming up next, I wonder what it will be like... I think we've strayed a bit from the original topic of the price of a leg of pork

[shetlandpaul]

matters not. as they guy won't be getting it before christmas now anyway. just seen an ad for turkeys free range white double breasted £5 per lb.

[robert waddell]

eve that must have been the same school that lillian went to for two years i thought i was a greek god comming home to burnt offerings

[Eve]

 

[princesspiggy]

was at australian party once and they cooked a kangaroo in a hole in ground with loads of burning hot stones covered it and left it for a few hours.  how cool is that! they called it a Hungy, obviously not frozen solid there ha      we made rowanberry jam this yr thanx to hugh fw, and sloe vodka... hic...

[princesspiggy]

thanks eve. the girls are booked in again for wednesday. touch wood it should be ok this time. have asked if we can watch the killing. i think we should as its part of the process.

i asked if i could watch - wasnt allowed. they let hugh fw tho!

[Eve]

He had the cameras...

[princesspiggy]

i had a old work colleague that was ex-abattoir man, i casually asked if they really did all the stunning b4 killing etc he said they didint bother half the time, jus killed em. dont know if that was true but u dont know what goes on behind closed doors. i used to work as relief in nursing homes years ago, and they way some old people were treated , i wouldnt treat my dog like that. i dont think ud know unless u were there everyday. i think u should be able to watch, cos that would keep them right.

[robert waddell]

cattle stuned with captive bolt gun then hung up throat cut to bleed with heart still pumping skinned gutted feet of  cut in half into chiller still ha
ving muscle spasms pigs the last time i saw it they were electrocuted with tongs cant say about sheep hallal is throat cut with a prayer said i think your man was having you on  happy hippy will be along to comment on the granny farming

[HappyHippy]

lol ! yes, here I am 
My mum and dad's care home was small, family run. We only had 19 residents at most and my mum's a trained mental health nurse (she's also a little hitler and TOTAL control freak !) needless to say our levels of care and hygiene were very good indeed  I worked as a dispensing optician for a domicillary eye care company in Glasgow for a while and visited care homes the length and breadth of scotland - I saw some awful things and also some very lovely things (but you don't hear so much about them ) I think that the bigger homes where they have managers for this and that doing so much time on paperwork, they don't have the same level of care, sure they'll do the work, but don't actually care for the people - "it's just a job". And those are the one's that NEED all the inspections ! My parents opened the home to care for people, not to make money. It ran for 20 years, closed 3 years ago, with big debts - but I can honestly say, hand on heart, that our level of care was superb ! Anywayyyyyyyyyyy, rant over - what were we talking about ?
Oh yeah, abbetiors, lol ! If they're not killing humanely, there will be a taint to the meat from the adrenaline released by the animal when under stress. This would be quickly picked up by suppliers I think, and looked at. You've got to trust your gut in these cases, speak to people who use the abbetior, check it out for yourself and remember - if they've nothing to hide, they won't mind you prying

[sabrina]

We had a friend who had very strong rules on what his family could eat, game keeper shot game birds, rabbits and deer. his idea being that wild animals would have no chemials in their meat. I got very fed up with him one day as one of his sons had been down to see his gran and had eaten a bacon sandwich, his dad went mad, this boy was 17. I asked him a simple question where do his wild animals feed, on the local farmland. Some fields have crops other grassland. What do the farmers spray on their crops and fields to kill weeds etc i asked him. he looked at me as if I was stupid. We knew he collected shot deer and hung them in a very dirty run down building. he bought the cheapest supermarket bread. Nothing you could say would have changed his idea, his way was right.

[robert waddell]

change a man against his will
he,s of the same oppinion still

[Eve]

Anybody ever done the killing at home? After what happened last time at the abattoir...  
If anyone is planning on a home kill in the next 6 months or so, I'd very much appreciate the opportunity to assist / watch / clean up the yucky bits - even if it's at the other side of the country (seriously).

 

[robert waddell]

depends on the weight of the pig
you have to be able to hoist it up(of the ground)
tractor loader or teleporter even a forklift
shed with concrete floor a good supplie of running water
and a suitable drain
now the hard bit killing it
a shotgun with goose shot or a rifle now the licence holder has to be authorised to do this with the rifle
be carefull as the  bullet can travel more than a mile also some pigs can be double sculled
lift it up cut its throat skin it gut it hose it down cut out the anus hose it again  th en cut into handleable pieces cut/chop/saw clear up mess then enjoy your pork/ gammon/bacon &sausages and it is only for your consumption