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shrekfeet

  • Joined Sep 2008
Xeno 200
« on: September 10, 2010, 08:23:04 am »
I have a red mite problem. I'm dealing with it in a major way on Saturday. Did some internet searches and it seems Xeno 200 is for use on internal and external parasites. Including mites! However it is not licenced for use on poultry but is for use on birds!

Does anyone have any experience of this med? What about withdrawal period?

Active ingredient is Ivermectin

Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2010, 08:54:51 am »
Hi,

I know Ivermectin has a withdrawl period on meat when used on sheep / cattle.

Research it first well - especially if you are selling or giving away eggs.

There are products that are licenced for use on poultry and their houses that may be a better option.

Thanks
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shrekfeet

  • Joined Sep 2008
Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2010, 11:15:36 am »
maybe but I'm yet to hear of any effective red mite treatment - please fill me in if you have recommendations

shetlandpaul

  • Joined Oct 2008
Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2010, 11:20:26 am »
Net-tex Total Mite Kill Liquid & Powder. not used it but it maybe worth a look.

Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2010, 11:26:12 am »
As Paul says the net-tex products are good - we have never had a complaint about them:

https://www.suppliesforsmallholders.co.uk/poultry-health-c-100.html

Don't forget when you treat your house to try to get under the felt on the roof if you can - it is a very good hiding place for mites, and then they have easy access to the shed via the apex or sides.

Thanks
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doganjo

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Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2010, 11:56:27 am »
I don't seem to have any red mites, or any other mites, that I can see, but have sprayed everything with Total Mite Kill just in case.  The bottle sits on a shelf in my hen house in readiness - just in case they appear.  I've heard it's the best you can buy so I'm willing to give it a go.
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Daveravey

  • Joined Jul 2009
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Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2010, 12:58:22 pm »
Me neither Annie   ;D

I give my lot a good spray with Battle's red mite stuff once a week, plus the coops get a good spray at the same time.
Seems to work alright ...thus far   ;)

CameronS

  • Joined Aug 2009
  • North East Fife
Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 08:21:46 pm »
i use Johnson's caged bird and pigeon mite/lice sparay, on the birds/nestboxes/joints, it's half the cost of the poultry Johnsons equivalent and works just as well

about once a week and fingers crossed i am yet to have a massive infestation of mites

Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2010, 08:43:59 pm »
I'm going to state my opinion here, not driven by any commercial bias.

I read a lot of forums, both in UK and France, and a lot of people swear by certain products - I even read one about spraying chickens with diluted bleach to rid them of red mite!!!

However, Unless a product is Licenced or sold for use on poultry then it should not be used on poultry. This is especially true if you are selling eggs (even at the farm Gate) as then you are classed in the eyes of the law as a commercial enterprise.

Now I'm sure that most of the "alternate" products that people use will have little or no detrimental effects, but is it really worth taking a risk for the sake of a few extra pounds? You need to know about the ingredients of these "Alternatives" in detail and any withdrawl period to apply for safety, as I'm sure nobody wants to hurt either the birds themselves or customers with unlicensed products.

I thought the majority of people on here were concerned with how their food is produced - and yet still advocate using just any old product because its cheaper.

I'm sorry if this appears as a bit heated, but this is a subject that gets me very annoyed. If anyone takes on the responsibility for livestock or Fowl for food production then they should also take on the responsibility to use the correct, licenced products and medications, which should be administered in a controlled manner with the correct equipment. If this can not be achieved for whatever reason then they should rethink why they are keeping the animals, and not publicise that they are using an unlicensed product to save a few quid.

My opinion for what it is worth, no apologies, spleen vented!
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CameronS

  • Joined Aug 2009
  • North East Fife
Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2010, 08:55:54 pm »
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However, Unless a product is Licenced or sold for use on poultry then it should not be used on poultry.

when you are working with a limited cash flow (like me) then sometimes cheaper has to be used, for example the stuff i use is identical to the poultry version, but i save £3 by not purchasing the specified poultry product.

if the product works, and the birds are in good health/condition, what is the point of buying specialised poultry spray??

fair enough with internal paracites , i would only use poultry products,

but external such as sores/mites/ticks, what difference dose it make

 i regularly use antiseptic creme on the birds legs to clear any hidden infection, and they don't seem to be unwell just because the name says HUMAN

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If anyone takes on the responsibility for livestock or Fowl for food production then they should also take on the responsibility to use the correct, licenced products and medications, which should be administered in a controlled manner with the correct equipment

dose this make me un responsible?


Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2010, 09:06:17 pm »
This wasnt a personal attack on you cameron - sorry if it appeared that way.

but :
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dose this make me un responsible?
That is a leading question, and depends if you are selling your eggs or if you are just eating them yourself.

If selling them then I would say "yes" if eating them yourself, then it's up to you. I know nothing about the products you mention, but are you sure that they are 100% identical?

What got me going on this was the post that asked for details / withdrawl of Xeno 200, then the same authur recommended it to a newbie keeper as a red mite hen treatment !

What Im trying to say really is that everyone has a responsibility when posting recommendations, and should be sure that the product is safe for the species to be used on before recommending it.
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shetlandpaul

  • Joined Oct 2008
Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2010, 08:51:19 am »
mmm. not licenced and not safe are two diffrent things. our vet can and does supply medications that have not been tested to get approval but are safe. thats how come we use spot on for bugs. the vet recommended the dosage per kg and we follow it. it costs loads to get approval hence we don't have any approved treatments for blackhead. i do agree thatt dumping any spare drugs on your birds is not overly safe. you must follow the ban on using the eggs or meat. it would be very bad for all of us if someone was to  suffer harm from a reaction to drugs in there food.

Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2010, 09:32:47 am »
Thats exactly the point Im making.

If not licenced for Poultry then how do you know the dosage + withdrawl period + safety, If you are using under a qualified vets advice then all well and good. But just to pick up a product for another species and say "this is cheaper so it will do" is not a sensible thing to do - and you MUST not recommend that others use it.

Thanks
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shrekfeet

  • Joined Sep 2008
Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2010, 11:02:52 pm »
SfS thanks for your input but I think you are focussing too closely on cost. This in not JUST a cost consideration. Its also about time, welfare and effectivness. Red mite seems to be a recurring problem on these forums. Clearly people need an effective treatment and many smallholders are short on time and want to make sure the animals they care for do not suffer. Therefore a quick and effective approach that fits the budget is essential.

Perhaps sonme research into the approvals process is requires but if it's anything like that for herbicides then you will find that it's far more to do with the value of the sales of the product than anything else.

Personally I keep my chickens in a large, old brick and flint buiding with lots of hiding cracks and corners. This is not a small wooden shed where you can get a hand-spray and have a few squirts. We have a big problem and it needed urgent effective attention.

Xeno 200 is not licenced for poultry but if you read the internet posts it is some times used by vets and can be recommended by them. Sometimes I think smallholders need to do their research and make informed decissions that suit their needs and those of their animals.

piggy

  • Joined Oct 2008
Re: Xeno 200
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2010, 11:29:58 pm »
Slightly off topic but my vet has just been and treated one of my ewes with an injection that is not licenced for sheep and left me with some more to inject as he feels this is the only chance i have of saving my ewes eye,the drug is 'human' kind and he tells me that there is no drug(anti inflammatory)licenced in sheep.

 

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