Author Topic: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen  (Read 17159 times)

anitasam

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hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« on: August 23, 2017, 04:32:44 pm »
Hi, does anyone have any advice or know what I`d need to do regarding permission to use a field rented from a farmer as a secure off lead exercise area for dog owners to hire ( for sole use at a time).Obviously the farmer `d need to grant permission but I mean do I need to let the council know- get their permission, would I be liable for business rates, would I need public liability insurance etc. has anyone done this? I `m thinking of doing it as it was something I needed myself and couldn t find anywhere for ages and now it costs me £10 an hour . I know I`d need to submit self assessment tax forms to HMRC but am unsure what other bureaucracy I`d need to sort  Thanks 
« Last Edit: August 23, 2017, 05:19:04 pm by anitasam »

harmony

  • Joined Feb 2012
Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2017, 06:11:37 pm »
Interesting question. If you are hiring the area out I would think public liability would be a must.  You would have to be absolutely certain it was escape proof. Not sure how business rates would work.

Fleecewife

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Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2017, 06:14:36 pm »
I'm wondering if there exists a farmer who would knowingly rent out a field to be filled with dog  :poo: :poo: :poo: .
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harmony

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Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2017, 06:25:26 pm »
At £10 an hour probably

Penninehillbilly

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Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2017, 06:29:16 pm »
Think I saw the idea on FB Recently?

anitasam

  • Joined Aug 2017
Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2017, 06:56:08 pm »
The field would be pooper scooped and binned by those using it as a condition of hire,and I`d check in between each user but as it would be hired out one dog at a time probably max 7 a day, that s not much poo to scoop and bin. The pen where I have been taking my dog is kept clean and my dog has yet to poo in it.
thanks for the replies

Sbom

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Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2017, 07:28:38 pm »
Who'd be fencing it?
I have a jack Russel and a lurcher....one can get through a hole the size of a house brick and the other can clear a four foot fence from a stand stil  :-\

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Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2017, 07:30:07 pm »
Sbom beat me to my question .
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anitasam

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Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2017, 07:39:54 pm »
the one I go to has square rigid fencing (about 3inch squares) standing about ten feet tall attached to massive fence posts and I can`t imagine any size of dog could jump over or slip through it. It is really busy as there s a real demand for secure, private dog exercising/training areas- it was really the legalities I was wondering about as I am unfortunately not a smallholder myself. For example, if the land is currently used for horses would it need to be reclassified for use for dogs- sorry if I seem to be asking simple questions but after searching the internet can t seem to shed any light- there are quite a few dotted around the country.

Fleecewife

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Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2017, 09:07:49 pm »
<<< ...there are quite a few dotted around the country.>>>

Maybe they could help you with the legal side of things if you asked someone you would not be in competition with.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2017, 12:01:10 am by Fleecewife »
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landroverroy

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Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2017, 10:48:18 pm »
I personally wouldn't tell the council. Assuming it will be kept as a grass field - how would they ever know?
People quite commonly exercise their dogs in fields anyway. 
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doganjo

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Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2017, 10:55:58 pm »
I wish I could find such a farmer. I even offered regular supply of free range duck and hens eggs.
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Old Shep

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Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2017, 11:26:22 pm »
Secure dog fields are the future for anyone with a 1 - 3 acre field.   £10 per hour, 8 hours a day 7 days a week - why would you farm???  Insurance and Planning permission definitely required but I would say worth it.  However if land is rented you would need to secure a tenancy for quite a few years to make it worthwhile.
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Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2017, 07:26:26 am »
I would be worried about a few issues ..... Dogs and livestock worrying,.   dogs worms causing infertility to cattle. Loss of farm payment , care of field pasture,  too many unknown visitor causing issues.      How would you address each of these?
Linda

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anitasam

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Re: hiring a field as secure dog exercise pen
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2017, 08:24:44 am »
When i started using the exercise pen I had to show my vaccination card- as the pen is only half an acre if that, the dogs really just need enough room to run around freely, with hardy throw toys and water supplied along with a gazebo and chairs. As the amount of poo is limited and cleared immediately worms etc should be a minimal problem and as the amount of land is relatively small it seems to me a good avenue of income , for a smallish initial outlay and few running costs. it would work as just a part of a smallholders overall activities ( I say as a wannabee not an actual smallholder) but even if you only have a few acres if half was allocated for the pen, there is still plenty of room for raising animals, I`d want an orchard and a meadow but  really it`d fit in with most normal smallholder activities?

 

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