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beany

  • Joined Apr 2010
Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2010, 09:17:56 pm »
If you have to get a new passport for any horse that does not already have one, then they have to be micro chipped and they are also signed out of the food chain at point of issue. All foals also have to be passported and microchipped within 6 months of birth or by 31st december which ever comes first.

Hardfeather

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Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2010, 10:12:55 pm »
This is a letter I intend sending to DEFRA. It may be futile, but I feel I have to take issue with them on this.

'I write to express my disappointment that Defra has implemented legislation requiring all passport applications to be accompanied by microchip details, with no provision made for horse owners to choose freezemarking as an alternative to the microchip.

As DEFRA will no doubt be aware, it is possible for microchips to be removed from equines, by unscrupulous dealers and thieves, and for horses thus 'cleansed' to be sold for meat while their passports and microchips are falsely applied to a replacement horse. It is also possible for microchips to move within the horse's body, making the chip's location and reading difficult or impossible.
In the case of the chipped horse being stolen, its recovery greatly depends on a person with a scanner to be in the right place at the right time to identify the animal and intervene to prevent its loss.
The abundance of various bodies offering chipping, and the lack of requirement for those bodies to submit all information to a central database can be the cause of further impediment in the successful recovery of stolen animals. Vets who offer the microchipping service may use different companies from which to source their chips, and the subsequent data is not centrally collated. If the relevant paperwork held by the owner is misplaced, or stolen, there could be much delay and confusion before an informed search can be instigated.

Freezemarking of horses is a visual declaration of responsible ownership. Horses thus marked are immediately identifiable to anyone who may be interested, and there is no requirement for specialist personal presence and equipment before a suspected stolen animal can be checked. Once a horse is freezemarked, it is identifiable for life. It is evident that thieves rarely steal freezemarked horses, seemingly preferring to lift those which are less likely to be spotted by the casual observer. 

Farmkey, the company who offer the service, have a central database to which all information is provided, and that information is immediately available to those concerned in the recovery of stolen horses. Indeed, Farmkey boast a 98% success rate in returning stolen horses to their owners. The police forces, equine welfare bodies, and the horsewatch schemes rate Farmkey and freezemarking very highly.

I appreciate that not all owners would wish to freezemark their equines, and this may be the main reason for microchips to be the method of ID favoured by DEFRA, but I am greatly disappointed that owners have not been furnished with the ability to opt for freezemarking as their preferred, or chief, means of identifying their animals.

As the law stands, all passport applications must now include details of microchip ID. Owners who wish to have their horses freezemarked, and who may have little faith in microchipping, are obliged to have a chip inserted, and then to incur extra cost to have their animals marked with a visual deterrent.

I would like DEFRA to consider giving owners the right to choose to freezemark their horses over microchipping, and for those owners to be recognised by DEFRA as responsible.'

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Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2010, 12:00:49 am »
Best of luck with that.  Didn't work with the KC and dogs!  I like mine tattooed in the ear.  I know a number of dogs whose chip has either relocated (one of my own dogs), or is unreadable.
Always have been, always will be, a WYSIWYG - black is black, white is white - no grey in my life! But I'm mellowing in my old age

Annie22

  • Joined Apr 2010
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Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2010, 02:18:15 am »
Hi beany I am in Australia and have only ever owned thoroughbreds, don't race them just buy them after racing.  So I am not sure on the law of other breeds.  The only reason I know of passports now is I rang a previous owner of my mare and asked for her papers, he got quite narky with me  and refused to give them to me as he knew I intended to breed with her, she is well bred but a dead laster, he sold her at a rock bottom price (not to me the person I bought her off),  so he didn't want me making money from her foals.  I rang the studbook and asked what I could do and that is when they told me he had to give me the passport and I could get a stat dec and apply for new ones.  It doesn't matter now as I can get her passport and not have to pay as I know the person who has her passport and he is going to give them to me. 

beany

  • Joined Apr 2010
Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2010, 09:34:49 am »
Passports are a legal requirment now in GB and you can get a hefty fine if you don't have one or you travel your horse without one. I knew they freezemarked tb's in NZ but I didn't know they did it in Oz as well. Are they done as foals or yearlings? I have all mine freeze marked over here just for their own protection from theft.There was a case the other day where thieves went equipped with dope, needles and syringe to take a horse in Gloucestershire, but were disturbed by the yard owner and chased off. It's too easy over here to steal and either kill for meat, sell on or ship to europe. There are supposed to be checks at port but doesn't happen.

Annie22

  • Joined Apr 2010
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Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2010, 11:01:04 am »
I'm not sure of the laws with horses here in Australia as they are not published.  When I was enquiring about a stallion for my mare, they asked if I had her papers and I told them I could get them from the stud book.  They knocked back a mare because the person selling the mare didn't want to sell her with papers.  The thing is here alot of racing people have poor racing mares with good blood lines, they don't want to take the chance with breeding so they sell the mares at rock bottom prices and then they are frightened the next owner will breed a champion race horse from the mare.  What they don't know is once you've sold the horse you lose your rights.  They don't realise there are savvy people like me around who will ask questions.  I didn't even know who my mare was until I rang the registrar of race horses and found out she is well bred.  Horses only seem to be branded when they are being registered with a body, such as the thoroughbred stud book, EFA (equestrian federation of Australia) and like.  I never had my late horse Sonny branded as I didn't want him to go through the pain of heat branding, back in 1989 freeze branding was expensive.  With the thoroughbreds I am not sure at what age they have to be branded but it is before registration with the studbook.  Only certain Vets are allowed to DNA test and microchip.

beany

  • Joined Apr 2010
Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2010, 11:20:36 am »
Only vets can micro chip in the uk but you can pay to have a dna done privately.

Annie22

  • Joined Apr 2010
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Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2010, 11:51:16 am »
Not all Vets can DNA test and microchip here only nominated ones for thoroughbreds don't know for other breeds.  Everything is organised for the racing industry ::).  The good thing is we don't seem to have the same horse stealing problem you Brits seem to have, touch wood.  As we have the land horses and horse keeping arn't as expensive, then there are the Brumbys which need to be kept down.  There is some stealing of course.  It always bothered my that Sonny wasn't branded as he was a very friendly horse, his mother was a different kettle of fish, if somebody tried to steal her I most likely would have found them in the paddock with a head injury.  There was a technique to catching Teaku and even then if she didn't know the person could spin on the spot and kick quickly. 

juliag

  • Joined Nov 2008
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Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2010, 07:10:38 pm »
Hi beany, Farmkey microchip too.  ;)
Only vets can micro chip in the uk but you can pay to have a dna done privately.

Hi beany, Farmkey microchip too.
juliag

Hellybee

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Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2010, 09:24:54 pm »
I will have little to do with this farce, cos thats just what it is...microchipping foals is an awful idea, in fact i have one that has nt been chipped, she was born in August unfortunately so missed the deadline, had been a very nervy filly (now come lovely) and we just didnt want to put her through the trauma.Now i understand that when we do chip her (i abhor it being compulsory) she will have to be DNA tested before she can enter the Welsh Stud book.

I wish you luck Aengus  ;)

egglady

  • Joined Jun 2009
Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2010, 11:04:37 pm »
folks we've seen a suspicious white mercedes type van lingering around this evening - hopefully nothing but folks definately acting strangely and been seen at both the feed merchants and then our place a short time later............ be vigilant

beany

  • Joined Apr 2010
Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2010, 10:21:34 am »
Hi, Juliag Farmkey don't micro chip they are not allowed to but they do the micro chip brand called the micro mark. you can only get that put on if your horse is already microchipped and they have to check before they put it on. In the uk only vets can microchip if anyone else tells you otherwise they are breaking the 1964 veterinary act which lists microchipping as an act of veterinary medicine to be done only by a qualified vet or by a qualified vet nurse in the presence of a vet. Trust meI have had a couple of run ins with Defra about trying to get independant people licenced to do microchipping, but it would require a change in the law first!!!!!!!.

juliag

  • Joined Nov 2008
  • Wanstrow somerset
Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2010, 08:16:25 pm »
ok sorry beany, I stand corrected!  ;)
juliag

cairnhill

  • Joined Dec 2008
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Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2010, 09:15:18 pm »
A friend of mine who breeds Hanovarian horses told me the other day she was not allowed to freezemark her horses any more.  With regards to microchips, I wonder if there is a bolus for horses as this is an option for sheep and it is an EID which is swallowed. 

Hardfeather

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Re: Protecting your horses against theft
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2010, 07:45:40 am »
A friend of mine who breeds Hanovarian horses told me the other day she was not allowed to freezemark her horses any more.  With regards to microchips, I wonder if there is a bolus for horses as this is an option for sheep and it is an EID which is swallowed. 


That's very interesting, re your friend's horses, but not enough information.

Bolus', to facilitate slow release of iodine, for example, can be used for sheep and cattle because such animals are ruminants with a series of chambers in the digestive system. The bolus sinks into the rumen (first of four 'stomachs') and, owing to the shape of the rumen, and the weight of the bolus, there it remains.

Horses are similar to humans and pigs, with one continuous digestive tract, and there is no such place to deposit a bolus. It would be passed straight through, serving no purpose, and may cause impaction further on in the digestive tract.

 

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