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Buzzard

  • Joined Aug 2015
Do we need planning permission?
« on: August 22, 2015, 06:16:57 pm »
can we put a touring caravan on a 3 acre orchard that we rent for use as an allotment? We want to make tea etc in it and maybe stay in it with friends sometimes overnight with a bit of camping. It's not near our house but is overlooked by other houses.
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mart6

  • Joined Sep 2014
  • Notts / Yorkshire border
Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2015, 12:53:27 pm »
You need planning permission, if you do not get it expect a visit from the council enforcement officer.
You can place a caravan for 28 days in a year without permission but only for 2 concecutive nights

Worth a read -  http://www.wyreforestdc.gov.uk/media/116974/AL14_Caravans.pdf
« Last Edit: August 23, 2015, 12:55:46 pm by mart6 »

pharnorth

  • Joined Nov 2013
  • Cambridgeshire
Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2015, 02:25:24 pm »
Might get on better with a shed clearly for storing fruit and orchard sundries of course.  Naturally you would need a kettle for the odd cuppa.......

doganjo

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Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2015, 02:39:46 pm »
Might get on better with a shed clearly for storing fruit and orchard sundries of course.  Naturally you would need a kettle for the odd cuppa.......
and a couple of settees/chairs that might accidentally convert into beds  :innocent:
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mart6

  • Joined Sep 2014
  • Notts / Yorkshire border
Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2015, 04:16:40 pm »
Might get on better with a shed clearly for storing fruit and orchard sundries of course.  Naturally you would need a kettle for the odd cuppa.......
and a couple of settees/chairs that might accidentally convert into beds  :innocent:
Shed may be ok, rest would not do that, or at least wait a good period of time to see if council  appear.
Intresting exemption is temporary accomadation for agricultral worker for seasonal worker (may be apple picking would qualify)

But councils dont hesitate to put a enforcement notice on.
The notice gets served on the land it will inclued owners. mortgagees ect , may not go down well with owners and stays with property forever

I am appealing one myself now its been going on for a year, says no residential furniture on the site at all. I also have a email from head planner saying i am not entitled to stay on site for goats kidding {Intend to test that in December if need be in court)

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« Last Edit: August 23, 2015, 04:37:35 pm by mart6 »

Buzzard

  • Joined Aug 2015
Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2015, 12:23:55 am »
Thanks for your posts everyone. I was under the impression that because the owner of the land said it was ok to put the caravan on, that was the only permission needed. Trying to work out planning laws is very difficult - thanks for the link. The owner has lots of land but I am only renting 3 acres. The only thing that was written in plain English that I found beforehand was an article from Northern Ireland and not England, where I am! Thanks again.

mart6

  • Joined Sep 2014
  • Notts / Yorkshire border
Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2015, 02:37:40 am »
Gov sites have recently been updated so links i had do not work
This is a intresting read
http://www.selfbuildtimberframe.com/mobile-home-manufacturers/251-dc-notes-when-is-a-caravan-a-building-operation-and-garden-carvans

bazzais

  • Joined Jan 2010
    • Allt Y Coed Farm and Campsite
Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2015, 05:14:50 pm »
Basically - you cant put anything that sounds like a little holiday folly on a bit of land (even if you own the land) - cos otherwise the whole of london (and other city dwellers) would buy an patch for 3 grand and put a caravan in the middle of it - which means the country could not produce food, cos too many caravans on it.

That said - there are ways.

But I would not expect permission to be given to have a holiday caravan on agricultural land.

I would imagine that the land has agri status?  - your allowed to spend 64 days a year - but no longer than 30 constitutive days 'living' on it.

bazzais

  • Joined Jan 2010
    • Allt Y Coed Farm and Campsite
Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2015, 05:16:35 pm »
mind you - its always worth risking it for a buscuit.


Put it on and see what follows - you might be the lucky one.

mart6

  • Joined Sep 2014
  • Notts / Yorkshire border
Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2015, 06:04:59 pm »
Hi bazzais
I would imagine that the land has agri status?  - your allowed to spend 64 days a year - but no longer than 30 constitutive days 'living' on it.

Could you eloborate  where you found that info ?

cloddopper

  • Joined Jun 2013
  • South Wales .Carmarthenshire. SA18
Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2015, 12:17:04 am »
can we put a touring caravan on a 3 acre orchard that we rent for use as an allotment? We want to make tea etc in it and maybe stay in it with friends sometimes overnight with a bit of camping. It's not near our house but is overlooked by other houses.

 You don't say where you are so it may be quite different to other parts of the UK
  I'd make tentative enquiries at the planning office in person not email to start with to see if you , " Can site an old caravan for use as a shelter , tool ,  stock store at the orchard " .
  I guess at that stage there is no need to mention anything else unless the planners ask you outright .
Don't ask too many different planners or those in authority , for eventually someone will feel honour bound to say no you can't  & then you're stuffed .

Then , if they say yes that's OK ,  write a recorded letter to the person you spoke to keeping the dated copies asking the same question , ask for the reply by the end of six weeks before the weather turns bad .

 If you get the letter back saying go a head ,  your covered  and an occasional stay over due to being , " Too tired to drive " , shouldn't affect you . If anyone says anything, you can usually go for forgiveness and promise to & do amend your ways . ( Normally only persistent & gobby offenders get sanctioned first time round  ) .
 
Be aware that regular noisy late night events will see the arse well & truly kicked out it it all .
« Last Edit: August 28, 2015, 11:50:50 pm by cloddopper »
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greenbeast

  • Joined Jul 2014
Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2015, 11:44:18 am »
Not sure on 3 acres but you are allowed a 'workers hut' for having tea and lunch and getting out of the weather.
We have one tourer for just that and another for 3/4 ton of pig food.

They will likely visit to check you aren't staying in it. In our case the loo ws full of tools and the rest was full of odds and sods with just about room to sit down in next to the portable stove. Pretty obvious we weren't living there.

mart6

  • Joined Sep 2014
  • Notts / Yorkshire border
Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2015, 03:32:21 pm »
Speaking from experience if you ever get a visit you will find they normally come as a pair,ie a enforcement officer and a planning officer.
Odds on you will be alone when they appear.
Whatever you do never admit saying you stay over night for any reason whatsoever even welfare  do not do it.
It will be your word against two council officers that will not hesitate to manipulate what you say.

Do not fall for the frendly attitude, and for the people that believe they give you a oppertunity  to remady things before they take action  i can assure you in the majority of cases if they think its near  time for possible lawful development they will jump on you like a ton of bricks
« Last Edit: September 04, 2015, 10:13:17 am by mart6 »

cloddopper

  • Joined Jun 2013
  • South Wales .Carmarthenshire. SA18
Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2015, 11:34:07 pm »
I see we have come through the same , " Interesting system of education " Mart .

It certainly makes you very wary of all other contact with such people and the organisations to which they belong , for the same mindset tends to be in existence throughout it.
Strong belief , triggers the mind to find the way ... Dyslexia just makes it that bit more amusing & interesting

mart6

  • Joined Sep 2014
  • Notts / Yorkshire border
Re: Do we need planning permission?
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2015, 01:32:52 am »
You are not joking cloddopper , mine has been a year of hell and its still going on.
I put this link up for people to get a insight into what happens my own experience, a lot of misinformation on the internet.
http://www.gardenlaw.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19952

Best bit of advise i can give anyone if it happens is get your mobile out and say to them you do not mind if i record this do you. Watch faces change.

Worst bit is i have had lots of dealings with councils worked for one for 12 years got badly injured in a RTA at work i was a passenger council employee was driving
was off work 6 months on full pay then, the 6 months half pay. Told me to get back to work or i would be sacked despite doctors note. They got council doctor to give me medical he said there was nothing wrong and i was faking it.
Told me to get back to work or i am sacked. i Insisted  on independent medical with specialist.
Result was i would never be able to return to that job again.. Tos-ers.
3 weeks later same council doctor had to sign me off for pension as unfit for work. Total bunch of crooks.

Gets better same council a good few years later gives Tescos planning permission to build on my land never even notified me i was adjoining property, i ended up having a 3 year battle with Tescos they are real sc_m.
http://www.gardenlaw.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10252

Now this crap  different council this time,i will never speak to anyone from the council  again without informing them i am recording it, you will be amazed how it pays off over time.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2015, 01:27:22 pm by mart6 »

 

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