[sagehen]

Plans for a super dairy in Lincolnshire. The arguments against them are not just about how they would ruin the small scale producer, but also the inhumane intensive type farming as well as environmental concerns.

Here is the actual website for the superdairy:


http://noctondairies.co.uk/


and here is the website for what you can do about it:

http://www.ciwf.org.uk/news/beef_and_dairy_farming/not_so_super_dairy_feature.aspx

[gavo]

done

[MiriMaran]

ditto

[Wizard]

I also read it in the Lincoln paper .Do you realise how big a 8100 herd would be? I honestly think there is a print error.How long would it take to pass that many cows through a bail.Where are you going to keep and feed them.What are you going to do with all the effluent.What a feed for the Greenies how much gas does 1 cow make ? X 8100 The Cathedral will crumble with the contaminated atmosphere Ohhhhhhhhhh I can see the headlines now

[gavo]

Wizard 
           Have you noticed just how like sheep British farming is becoming? Where America goes we seem to follow;there are even larger set ups in America.Not good for the animals or for the people farming them. There is a documentary/film  Food Inc that illustrates the problems caused by industrial farming. I don't think it is out in the UK yet but is well worth a watch.

Sorry on my soap box again!

[Jackie]

This is horrendous! 

 I'm signing up

[Wizard]

Hello Gavo I don't consider you to be on your soap box at all.My opinion The British Government and DEFRA DO NOT WANT FARMING IN GREAT BRITAIN AT ALLALL THE SET ASIDE THAT NOW APPEARS TO BE ABANDONED the MASSIVE UNNESCESARY DEATH OF HUNDEREDS OF CATTLE SHEEP AND PIGS THE BUILDING OF PROPERTIES ON FARM LAND Lets wait and see when the farming is destroyed how much the French and others want for their food.In the WW2 it was easy to rip up trees and parks to grow food Is it going to be easy to knock down all the building thats been done on prime farm land or knocking holes in the sea wall to flood acres of prime farm land so as the beautiful birds can have a paddle.Where are they paddling now? Its ridiculous The birds were there before and will be after.They adapt much quicker and better than humans

[garden cottage]

using sand as a bedding? cant see the comfort in that myself, when i worked on a dairy farm in the 80's we always used a straw chopper to blow into individual cubicles, at least straw got some warmth to it...............

[gavo]

It's such a shame just how niave the British public are in many cases about the state of  and direction farming is going .Every day i meet people who still think all their meat is produced out in the fields leading nice lives until slaughter. How far from that reality have we come? It seems to me that the only type of farming actively encouraged is this massive uncaring type.No care for the environment ;no care for the animals no care for the workers ;and no care for the consumer;so long as cheap product is created.But this is not sustainable many orgs are saying we would be better able to feed our planet if we buck the indusrialised trend and turn the clock back slightly.

[Hilarysmum]

At the heart of Nocton Dairies will be the well-being, health and happiness of every single cow

Oh yes, cows bred to produce milk short term but not to survive for more than one or two lactations.  Cows are naturally outside grazing animals.  How can they justify this, its like the pig torture chambers. 

Farming should be as much about animal welfare as profit.  And how many other farmers will be put out of business because they will produce cheaper milk.  Plus the loss of heathland habitat.  Does it mean it is less valuable if they use heathland rather than grassland. 

And how much methane will 8,100 cows produce. 

Rant over.

[sagehen]

Hello Gavo I don't consider you to be on your soap box at all.My opinion The British Government and DEFRA DO NOT WANT FARMING IN GREAT BRITAIN AT ALLALL THE SET ASIDE THAT NOW APPEARS TO BE ABANDONED the MASSIVE UNNESCESARY DEATH OF HUNDEREDS OF CATTLE SHEEP AND PIGS THE BUILDING OF PROPERTIES ON FARM LAND Lets wait and see when the farming is destroyed how much the French and others want for their food.In the WW2 it was easy to rip up trees and parks to grow food Is it going to be easy to knock down all the building thats been done on prime farm land or knocking holes in the sea wall to flood acres of prime farm land so as the beautiful birds can have a paddle.Where are they paddling now? Its ridiculous The birds were there before and will be after.They adapt much quicker and better than humans

I don't agree George. It's not in Defra's best interest to stop farming in Great Britain - their very existence relies on farming, just as the NSPCC only exists because there are children being abused, so it's not exactly clever to eradicate farming is it? Besides, with all the consciousness about food air miles and imported food, I doubt that the Government is anti-farming as well. With regards to conservation of natural environments and protection of species, that isn't the same really the same issue as constructing and allowing a superdairy to be built. Farming shouldn’t be the opposite of conservation – I think there are many farms that realise that both can co-exist in harmony.  It doesn’t require a lot of effort to devote some space for wild animals and birds, unless those animals actually pose a direct threat to the farm animals.

[MiriMaran]

I think the Government should pay all farmers who have high welfare standards (such as all of us!) an annual payment.

[Wizard]

Since when has this current lot and DEFRA done anything clever for the Farming Community sage?I include smallholders in this

[MiriMaran]

Well true, but I can dream........

[Wizard]

Hello Miri Has the old saying "If wishes were horses even beggars would ride" I know you wrote dream but I   know I subscribe under the name Wizard but Gordon's Gang are SPELL proof