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DullBookworm

  • Joined Jan 2014
New venture
« on: July 18, 2015, 03:01:57 pm »
Sheep help!!!
Hello. Wife and i have the starting of a smal holding in New Cumnock. We have had chickens and geese and ducks etc but never ventured into 4 legged animals yet.
We have 2.5 Acres of well fenced in good grazing field and we are going to start keeping sheep. We have been offered some Scottish black faced at £50/lamb and not sure if this is good price.
With limited funds to start up with: we're not sure if we just go with the cheapest of the cheap or do we stick with recognized breeds and build slowly on quality rather than quantity?.
Can anyone direct us in the right course of reading materials?
All help appreciated
Stephen and Lorraine :wave:

Marches Farmer

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Herefordshire
Re: New venture
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2015, 03:41:43 pm »
You'll need a County Parish Holding number from DEFRA before you keep livestock, and to find a local farm animal vet.  What do you want to do with the lambs?  If take them on to slaughter weight you should be OK but thnk about water supply, especially in Winter, hurdles to make a pen, transportation to the abattoir - plenty of threads on here about the kit you'll need to keep them healthy. 

DullBookworm

  • Joined Jan 2014
Re: New venture
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2015, 04:04:05 pm »
thanks for the reply. HAve the CPH and had a visit from council and DEFRA here as we had adopted goats here for a short time as a favour to someone. Transportation is good too and the local vet is used to sheep as we are in the midst of the countryside. Love how you have highlighted the basics and made us feel good about what we do have so far LOL. Breeds wise: we are unsure as well :-S

waterbuffalofarmer

  • Joined Apr 2014
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Re: New venture
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2015, 04:05:31 pm »
Sheep help!!!
Hello. Wife and i have the starting of a smal holding in New Cumnock. We have had chickens and geese and ducks etc but never ventured into 4 legged animals yet.
We have 2.5 Acres of well fenced in good grazing field and we are going to start keeping sheep. We have been offered some Scottish black faced at £50/lamb and not sure if this is good price.
With limited funds to start up with: we're not sure if we just go with the cheapest of the cheap or do we stick with recognized breeds and build slowly on quality rather than quantity?.
Can anyone direct us in the right course of reading materials?
All help appreciated
Stephen and Lorraine :wave:
That is quite cheap for a lamb, lambs ideally go for about 60-80 £ each depending on the market.
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verdifish

  • Joined Jan 2013
  • banffshire
Re: New venture
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2015, 05:39:31 pm »
I wish lambs were fetching £60/80 this time of year !

Paulie

  • Joined May 2013
Re: New venture
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2015, 06:04:48 pm »
My advice being a beginner myself is definitely start small, I lambed just to ewes this year and boy was it hard work!! So much to learn when things don't go to plan and even just 2 ewes at lambing time can feel like a full time job for 3 months.
Not a negative as I'm looking forward to next year but I was pleased I only had 2 this year.

Keepers

  • Joined Jul 2015
Re: New venture
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2015, 06:10:20 pm »
£50 a blackface lamb is not cheap, its what I would expect to pay for a maternal bred lamb really, actually I would pay less for a blackie lamb right now

Good terminal sired fat lambs at market are making £60 at the moment!

maternal bred lambs would make far less than this at market right now, may make £50 as stores later on

Look at what all your neighbors have and look what works in your area, would give you a clue as to what to get  :thumbsup:

For a smallholding I wouldnt generally recommend blackies, they are thrifty hill sheep that produce mainly one lamb and aren't generally kept on smallholdings.

If it was just 2.5 acres then perhaps something that you could make the most from, so something that you could stock higher and rotate in small areas (strip graze?) rather than a large ewe, so you could get more kgs of lamb per acreper acre
Or get a larger more commercial ewe and have fat lambs away earlier on in the year (lamb in march, away in June off grass) and then just dry ewes to live off nothing rest of the year
I have welsh mules which are very very easy to handle, nice and friendly, stay behind one strand of electric, they lambed in march/april and first batch of lambs were 40-45 kgs in June off entirely grass
They also arent too expensive to buy in and have a high cull value

Shedding sheep are ok, my ones (exlanas) have been bred for no foot issues and no lambing issues etc, very very easy care, however I rent my land and they do cover (smother) all the fences in wool, which landlords tend not to enjoy so much.......


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Re: New venture
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2015, 07:48:58 pm »
what is a lamb?    How old?  Meat or breeding?   How reared and how tame.   All will have an affect on price.  Personally I would pay more and get 3 or 4 older ewes who are bucket trained and friendly  ......... mind you the last time I gave this advice my buyers vanished!!
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DullBookworm

  • Joined Jan 2014
Re: New venture
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2015, 08:28:46 pm »
I appreciate the sentiment. we had hand reared goats here for a few months. They were a dream to have about

DullBookworm

  • Joined Jan 2014
Re: New venture
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2015, 08:30:04 pm »
Lots of great advice people. Muchly appreciated x

Big Light

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Re: New venture
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2015, 08:44:28 pm »
"That is quite cheap for a lamb, lambs ideally go for about 60-80 £ each depending on the market"

Depends on the lambs if they are little scrappy things they could be worth £30 really all depends on the beast - the top priced spring lambs finished for the prime market are only making just over £80 average price this week for prime lamb in scotland is about £1.60 a kilo so a 37.5  kilo lamb is £60

If you are not sure what breed you fancy there is a Shetland / Hebridean and rare breed/ other breed sale at Lanark Auction Mart on saturday 29th August - worth a look if you want to see if theres any breeds out there that suit you. " 2.5 acres might seem a lot with this summers grass explosion however don't over stock or it will be an expensive winter

you don't say what you are thinking of doing with them - i guess if your keeping them for breeding you want the right breed - if you are just finishing some lambs then it perhaps doesn't matter quite as much

farmvet

  • Joined Feb 2014
Re: New venture
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2015, 11:17:43 pm »
I wouldn't be paying more than £30 for blackie lambs at this time of year. Also if you want to breed you'd be better starting with gimmers so you can tup them this year. Lots of breeds & crosses out there that would suit your venture better than hill sheep.

Rosemary

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Barry, Angus, Scotland
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Re: New venture
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2015, 08:43:59 am »
I wouldn't keep Blackies on a smallholding - their preferred grazing is measured in acres per sheep not sheep per acre.

Marches Farmer

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Herefordshire
Re: New venture
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2015, 09:17:05 am »
And if they're like my Badger Face Welsh Mountains they don't much care whose acres they are!

SallyintNorth

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Re: New venture
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2015, 09:17:53 am »
I wish lambs were fetching £60/80 this time of year !

Absolutely! 

Prices are down £20-£30 a head on last year, almost entirely due to the strength of the pound against the euro; prices in euros are much the same.

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