Author Topic: Fleece  (Read 15344 times)

Jukes Mum

  • Joined Apr 2014
  • North Yorkshire
Fleece
« on: June 10, 2015, 08:29:14 am »
I am having my sheep sheared tonight. One of the hogs has a lovely fleece and Ideally I'd like a ball of wool just to make a cushion cover or something to be able to know it was from one of my girls.
Any ideas how I would go about this? Is there a chance that a spinner would take 7 fleeces in return for a ball of wool? Or is there some other way I should approach this?
I had the same idea last year and went to a local wool shop to ask if they knew of anyone who would do this. By chance a lovely lady in the shop said she would love to do this and came and collected the fleeces straight way. She said it would take a few weeks but she would let me know when the ball of wool was ready. I never heard from her again :-(
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Louise Gaunt

  • Joined May 2011
Re: Fleece
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2015, 09:17:32 am »
It might be worth contacting the local guild of spinners to see if they would oblige. I am too far away from you (South Devon!) to pop over and spin you a few balls of wool!

Hellybee

  • Joined Feb 2010
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Re: Fleece
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2015, 10:39:01 am »
Lovely idea, having meat sheep, our fleeces are rather uninspiring as a rule, but some of the shearling fleeces from my laymens eye still look and feel very soft and I would like to do that if possible.   I ve still got some of the shearling fleece of our very first Molly lamb x

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
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Re: Fleece
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2015, 01:57:33 pm »
One ball of wool sounds like not much to you, but it's a *heck* of a lot of work to the handspinner.  So, depending on what the fleeces are (I think it's Ryelands you have?), how good they are, how well-shorn and presented they are, it may or may not be a reasonable swap.

Most of us say that the maximum number of fleeces we can process in a year is about 12.  Many spinners just do a fraction of this, spinning from prepared fibres (batts, tops, rovings) the rest of the time, which is much much quicker.

And generally, when spinning from fleeces, most of us want to spin different fleeces all the time.

So the other thing about your offer, is that the recipient will probably retain one or two fleeces, and need to find homes for the other 5 or 6.  if they are lovely, this shouldn't be difficult, but I will not be the only spinner who has ended up landed with a bootful of unusable fleeces.  (Please don't take offence - you won't be able to judge yourself, although you can get an idea by reading this page.

Processing time... assuming the fleece is lovely, first the spinner must wash and dry it.  This is a big job.  Some people do the whole fleece in one, most wash 300-400g at a time.  It is insanely time-consuming, and for the most part you can't really do much while the fleece is soaking, as in the hot soapy stages you don't want to leave it for more than 15 minutes.

Note, one ball of wool will generally be about 100g.  It might make a cover for a small cushion, but I'd allow 200g or even 250g myself.  You could reduce the amount if you were happy to use commercial yarn for one side, of course.

So, now we have our washed fleece.  If the fleece weighed 2kgs to begin with, it has probably lost up to about 1/3 of that weight in dirt and grease.

Next, the preparation for spinning.  Ryeland is probably best drum-carded, so each lock is pulled out of the mass, given a little comb to the tips and the butts, placed on the drum carder and wound onto the big drum.  When the big drum is full, the fibre is lifted off and re-carded.  Sometimes three times in all, though I generally do twice myself. 

Now we're ready to spin.  By now, all the non-spinnable fleece has been excluded, and our original 2kgs is probably not more than 1kg, possibly less.

As a rule of thumb, I reckon I would spin 100g in an evening if I am spinning reasonably chunky, as I would for a Ryeland cushion cover.  Prep (selecting locks, topping and tailing, drum-carding) takes at least as much time as the actual spinning; some people say twice as long.

And then the yarn has to be plyed and finished.  Plying is quicker than spinning, taking perhaps 1/4 to 1/3 of the time. 

Next, the plyed yarn is wound into a skein.  This is done onto a 'niddy noddy' and is time-consuming and tiring!

Finishing isn't a very big job, the skein is tied in a few places, removed from the niddy noddy, washed and rinsed a few times, spun and squeezed, then hung up to dry.

So to create your 200g yarn for your cushion cover would use approx. 400g fleece - probably about 1/5 of one of your fleeces.

Washing 400g - an hour (minimum)
Prep for 200g - 4-6 hours (minimum)
Spinning 200g - 6-8 hours
Plying 200g - 2-3 hours

So, for your 200g skeined yarn, approx. 15 hours' work.

Ryeland fleeces are easy to buy, and cost about £8-£10 each.

So, I am not saying you won't find a taker - and I will suggest some places you might ask in the next post - but please be aware what you are asking!
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SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
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Re: Fleece
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2015, 02:11:45 pm »
Okay, that was the downside.  Now the upside!

There are a surprising amount of spinners who don't particularly like knitting, crocheting or weaving, and whose family and friends have as many woolly things as they can use, but who still want to spin and enjoy spinning from fleece.

So there are people who will do you the ball-of-wool-for-a-fleece-or-several deal.  Especially if it is a particularly nice and/or rare fleece.

Ryeland isn't rare, but it is very nice to spin, and makes lovely bouncy yarn for jumpers and so on.

I don't see many people taking up the ball-of-wool-for-a-fleece-or-several deal on Ravelry, but I have seen quite a few offered and accepted on Facebook 'Spinners in the UK'.  And/or its associated page 'Spinners in the UK Marketplace'.

In order to find your nearest Guild, you can check the Association of Guilds of Weavers, Spinners and Dyers' website.  There is a map of all the associated Guilds here.  However, many many spinning groups are not associated Guilds; the most comprehensive list is in Yarnmaker magazine.  You can buy a subscription or single issues on the Yarnmaker website .

If you decide to just sell your fleeces for cash, then there is Woolfest in Cockermouth at the end of this month and Masham Sheep Fair at the end of September.  Or you can advertise them on Ravelry.
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Live in a cohousing community with small farm for our own use.  Dairy cows (rearing their own calves for beef), pigs, sheep for meat and fleece, ducks and hens for eggs, veg and fruit growing

Jukes Mum

  • Joined Apr 2014
  • North Yorkshire
Re: Fleece
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2015, 03:26:32 pm »
SallyintNorth- you are truly wonderful! Thank you for taking such a lot of time to reply. While it is not looking promising, I will follow the leads you have provided and keep trying to get my Mavis cushion cover!  :hugsheep:  :knit:
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Bionic

  • Joined Dec 2010
  • Talley, Carmarthenshire
Re: Fleece
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2015, 03:27:13 pm »
I have Ryelands, coloured and white and I enjoy spinning their fleece but no one else in my spinning group will touch it. They don't think the locks are long enough. So you may or may not get any takers.
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SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
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Re: Fleece
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2015, 03:35:51 pm »
If this direction fails, JM, there is always sending the fleece away to get turned into rovings and/or yarn.  It's not cheap, but it should be much easier to sell rovings and yarn than to swap fleece ;)

Shout if you want some links ;)
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

Live in a cohousing community with small farm for our own use.  Dairy cows (rearing their own calves for beef), pigs, sheep for meat and fleece, ducks and hens for eggs, veg and fruit growing

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: Fleece
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2015, 06:31:59 pm »
Jukes mum - give in, you're just going to have to learn to spin  :spin:  :roflanim:

That photo of Mavis is one of my favourite sheep pics ever  :sheep:
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smee2012

  • Joined Sep 2012
Re: Fleece
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2015, 09:05:51 pm »
I offered up my four fleeces to a local spinning guild last year, for free, but said it was raw off the sheep. Only one person contacted me and she said she'd be glad to take them all off my hands but she'd want it washed, dried and delivered. I expect you can guess how I responded!

I have four enormous fleeces currently sat in the trailer behind my house. I really don't want to chuck them but I have no way of processing them really, no one seems to want them and I also have the Wool Board on my back insisting that I can't throw them away, I have to send them away to them. But of course I have to trim them, roll them properly, somehow get them to the nearest depot(?)...for the princely sum of approx 12p a fleece. I really don't want to do that!

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
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Re: Fleece
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2015, 11:30:28 pm »
Unfortunately, Zwartbles isn't the most interesting fleece to spin.  The fleeces are huge, it doesn't wet felt easily, being black it isn't very useful for dyeing, I don't know if it needlefelts.

You should be able to move it to gardeners for mulching and/or lining hanging baskets.

Or... learn to spin it yourself !  :spin: :excited:
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

Live in a cohousing community with small farm for our own use.  Dairy cows (rearing their own calves for beef), pigs, sheep for meat and fleece, ducks and hens for eggs, veg and fruit growing

GrannyAching

  • Joined Apr 2015
  • Pembrokeshire
Re: Fleece
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2015, 09:28:42 am »
If you fail to find a way to get yarn you could consider felting the wool yourself. You could then sew a cushion cover.  Friend who went to art college made some lovely pieces with no previous knowledge, you will have plenty of wool to experiment with, too. I've just googled "how to felt raw sheep's wool" and there looks to be losts of useful advice, including instructional videos. Just a thought  :)

devonlady

  • Joined Aug 2014
Re: Fleece
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2015, 09:51:26 am »
Or you could spin enough yourself using a spindle. It will take ages but is an absorbing occupation and you can do it anywhere. ( Might be a conversation opening at parties, the bus stop or the check-out at Asda!!) It's easy to learn how.

Bramblecot

  • Joined Jul 2008
Re: Fleece
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2015, 11:05:45 am »
Peg loom :thinking: ?  Card the wool and weave a seat pad or cushion cover.  I'm going to try this with some of mine as I can't get to grips with spinning.

GrannyAching

  • Joined Apr 2015
  • Pembrokeshire
Re: Fleece
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2015, 01:14:44 pm »
Peg loom with thick rovings is a brilliant idea. I have had so much fun with my loom over the years. May have to get it out and have  a go myself now - thanks  :excited:

 

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