Author Topic: lynx to roam free in britain  (Read 18637 times)

SallyintNorth

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Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2015, 04:09:38 pm »
You need the right location and setup for them.  I talked to Blonde at some length about it, and concluded that our setup here was completely inappropriate - we have public roads and footpaths, many tourists and walkers... not suitable.

But for a remote hill farm in the Highlands somewhere, it could definitely be possible.

As Blonde explained her setup to me, her dogs are pretty much nocturnal.  So they're sleeping by day when people may be about, and up and guarding against predators overnight.
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sabrina

  • Joined Nov 2008
Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2015, 06:14:33 pm »
Buzzards took my young ducks and a friend lost a whole load of young hens to them. They would watch him in the morning letting them out and then as soon as he moved away pounce. Also know to take young pheasants. I would love something to cull the badgers. We are over run by them.

fiestyredhead331

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Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2015, 06:52:49 pm »
Eh excuse me sallyintnorth but I don't want more predators up here!!! The highlands should not be regarded as this Great wilderness to try experiments like this. We have to live and work here in a harsh environment so why make it more difficult for us?
Our crofts are small enough as it is so we have to use the common grazing out on the hill which I can do without fear of anything taking my goat kids or ewes.
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mab

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • carmarthenshire
Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2015, 08:29:43 pm »
Well I'm in the 'in favor' faction on this issue and if they did decide to introduce them down here (unlikely) I wouldn't object.


I can appreciate your concerns though, FRH331, I guess though, that the highlands are a logical place to plan re-introductions due to the excess deer, large areas of 'wilderness', and low human population density.


Slightly tangential to the topic but it reminds me of my last trip to India: on our way back to New Delhi we stopped of at a bird sanctuary on the way, and noticed a small sign had been placed by the gates  which said something on the lines of (I can't find the pic (film) at the mo' so I'm going from memory):


"A young tigress has moved into the woody area at towards the rear of the sanctuary, so all visitors are advised to keep a good lookout, particularly near dawn and dusk"


Needless to say we kept a good lookout, but I wasn't the only one disapointed that we only saw birds.


Somehow I can't see any UK authority taking such an approach to large predators in their parks and reserves - Sadly. Even with something as large as a tiger it is possible to live alongside them and I personally feel we make too much of 'large' predator re-introductions in this country, and as has already been stated the major impact would likely be on other predators such as foxes. But we won't know unless we try it.




fiestyredhead331

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Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2015, 08:40:21 pm »
certainly in my area the deer population is excessive but these deer are on the point of being domesticated!!! they don't live miles out in the hills anymore, they are in the villages, the gardens etc so if the food source is designed to be deer then by default the 'predators' will follow the food...I know I get annoyed at deer on the croft but I sure as hell don't want a lynx, wolf or bear coming on down either!
Just because we have a low population density doesn't make it right does it?
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mab

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Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2015, 09:17:42 pm »

Doesn't make it wrong or right - but is logical as it involves fewer people.


My philosophy comes from an appreciation of the wildlife even if (like the fox) it is an inconvenience. And these creatures have to live somewhere. I don't really have much sympathy when folks move to the seaside then want the seagull culled because they're a nuisance, or move to the country and complain about the farmers' dog barking, or people who say that wildlife should be preserved - just NIMBY.


Similarly if you live in wild areas you have to accept the wild animals that live there - there are buzzards and kites over here every day (no-one around here seems to have any trouble from them), foxes, badgers, and allegedly, mink and otters, which (again allegedly), are the culprits for various 'attacks' on domestic birds - though usually without much evidence beyond someones opinion that it wasn't a fox or dog attack.


wolf, bears & lynx were indigenous to this area, and whilst I accept a bear may make an uncomfortable neighbour, I don't think there are any plans to bring them in anytime soon.

fiestyredhead331

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Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2015, 09:39:40 pm »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-22220384

it has been discussed  :o right on my doorstep!

I have lived here, as have my family for generations, I didn't move here for the wildlife but to be fair if you want wildlife you go to Culag Hotel on a Friday night  :innocent:

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mab

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Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2015, 10:17:08 pm »
Oh, well, I confess that bears might give me pause too -  though I still think I'd not object. Probably.


Well you didn't move there, but still, I feel it's a case of live with what naturally lives there or move; Actually I moved here (from the city) to get away from the 'friday night wildlife' that used to irritate me - I lived over an indian restaurant (that and the 30 odd buses that would scream past my bedroom window between 3 and 4 am on their way back to the depot, and the fire/ambulance station 1/4 mile away).


Now I get woken up by the birds or the neighbours cattle (when they're bulling? - i don't know but sometimes they get very vocal) - but because these sounds remind me that I'm where I want to be, they don't bother me and I now usually sleep through them anyway.

Louise Gaunt

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Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2015, 09:25:54 am »
Buzzards will kill hens, I know, it has happened to me.

in the hills

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Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2015, 11:10:13 am »
A couple of people locally have told me that they have actually seen the buzzard carry off their hens ..... they were pekins so small and the gamekeepers wife told me to be aware of them a couple of years back as she'd seen a buzzard take a couple of well grown pheasant poults out of the field behind her cottage.

Not saying hens are their first choice but if weather is hard or some other reason then think they probably will.

We have so many buzzards and often see up to 9 red kites overhead. Middle of huge pheasant shoot here so lots of food for them I guess.

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Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2015, 04:57:23 pm »
Both of these birds feed mainly on carrion.
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Porterlauren

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Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2015, 09:35:15 pm »
If you go to a country, where there are lots of Lynx. . . . and try to find one. . . . it's hard work.

I doubt, even if we get them back, they will be much of a problem.

I lived in a place where there were wolves and bears . . . . . never really many dramas. . . . .

Dogs and two legged vermin will always be worse!

As for Buzzards mainly eating carrion, and not killing things. Aye, in RSPB dream land, maybe! They most certainly will kill rabbits, leverets and lots and lots of ground nesting birds.

The deer population could do with a serious cull, they are a pain in the arse!

It's not about wiping anything out or being prejudice against any animal, but wildlife needs managing. Unfortunatly as humans, we are pretty bad at this!

Take the red kites as an example. . . . . great . . . . re-introduced. . . . . and unsustainably fed, because they habitat can't naturally support them in those numbers???

devonlady

  • Joined Aug 2014
Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2015, 09:44:10 pm »
A neighbour had a buzzard take a tiny piglet!!

Garmoran

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Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2015, 03:56:51 pm »
I can see the attraction, especially if we could be sure that they would reduce the red deer population, which has become a real pest over the last 20 years.

However, even in the Highlands there are very few (habitable) tracts of land where wolves and lynx could live away from humans, and past experience shows that living alongside humans affects the behaviour of wild animals. All the experts swore blind that sea eagles would never, ever take living lambs until a farmer on Mull filmed one in the act.

In spite of that, I am still ready to believe that most sea-eagles do not take lambs, as I have never seen anything to indicate that anything larger than a crow has attacked my own stock. But some sea-eagles do, and I would be surprised if their offspring do not learn to do the same. Buzzards have hovered over my house all my life and, unlike those elsewhere, he appear to leave poultry in peace. That said, I cannot see how they are living off carrion, as there is too little of it around: they have to be taking voles and ground nesting birds (rabbits were extinct here until 3 or 4 years ago).

So what predators eat in one part of the country is not necessarily what they eat in another. And I see no reason not to believe that wolves and lynx would adapt likewise. A pity, because I would love to see these animals in the wild, but not while they're making off with the animals that I spend so much time trying to keep alive. As Marches Farmer says, replacing livestock is not simply a matter of going off and buying a replacement. My own sheep, although of motley lineage are all home bred and can (generally) be relied on to live and produce lambs for 10 years or more on land where 2 in 3 bought-in sheep dies within 3 years. They are not easy to replace.

Porterlauren

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Re: lynx to roam free in britain
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2015, 07:38:53 pm »
To be fair, Lynx would VERY rarely kill Red deer, in their native habitat where Fallow and Red and present, they nearly always go for the Fallow. If Roe are an option, they are preferred above the other two. For the main part Lynx will prey upon fawns and juvenile deer, although obviously will take adults if the situation arises, although that is a relatively rare thing.

 

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