Author Topic: Todays Debate  (Read 14704 times)

shetlandpaul

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Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2009, 09:14:51 am »
oh scotland did have ideas of empire. from the bruces in ireland to the failed american plan. the wars to destroy the lords of the isles and not forgeting the annexing of orkney and shetland. its just that ngland was better at it than the scots were. a bit like football. by the way in seriousness don't assume that we would go along with you. and without the oil/gas your money problems would be quite bad.

sabrina

  • Joined Nov 2008
Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2009, 10:07:38 am »
From what my mother has told me Shetland foke do not regard themselves part of Britain anyway. At least they have done well for the people of Shetland with the money from the oil which is more than the rest of us can say. A vote would be a good thing but will we ever get it. Bearing in mind this country did not want to go to war. What the people want seems to be at the bottom of the governments concerns in just about everything.

shetlandpaul

  • Joined Oct 2008
Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2009, 11:36:24 am »
the oil money has kept both scotland and england going. we got something like a penny a barrel. we do think were part of the uk. its just that the scots feel that they have been the worse off of the union. we feel the same. without our own reserves we would still be dependenant on the central belt for our services and they would not be anything like as good. its also odd that the snp prefer to help those who vote for them i.e the discounted ferry fares to the western isles. because we and the orkneys return a liberal we get left out. pray tell what is a new forth crossing going to do for us.

Hardfeather

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Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2009, 06:32:52 pm »
Oh come on  now, shetlandpaul

I watched a programme about the excellent seafood industry which helps to sustain Orkney, with the lobster raising farm which does so much toward keeping it viable. I don't really see any benefit in financial terms from that. Nor do I get any return from the huge investment in oil related industry in Shetland.

Similarly, though, I expect nothing in return from the huge amount of money, some of it mine, which is being sucked into the 2012 thing in London and Englandshire.

The Forth crossing is required because there was a botch job made of the present road crossing which has been in existence only since 1964, unlike the rail bridge which has stood since 1890.

Perhaps your lot will improve when Scotland finally becomes an independant nation in its own right, and we become more like the Scandinavian countries in our outlook and in our dealings with the auld enemy.

I believe Scotland will become independant of England one day............I just hope I live long enough to see it happen. As for the parliament building, with its upturned boats incorporated into the design by the dead Spaniard..........wasn't it the Spanish who did for our fishing industry? Thankfully, in Alex salmond, we now have an indivividual who feels the humiliation which many of us feel, unlike the Westminster lachies we've had previously.

'for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule.' Bruce must be spinning in his grave. :-[
                                                                                                                                           
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doganjo

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Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2009, 07:11:09 pm »
We could manage fine on our own!  So long as we don't all follow the call of 'The Homecoming', then we'd sink ;)  Is it finished at last?  A bit of a damp squib I think!  Any chance of trading our lovely mountains for some better weather if we go independent? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Always have been, always will be, a WYSIWYG - black is black, white is white - no grey in my life! But I'm mellowing in my old age

JD

  • Joined Nov 2008
  • Glasgow
Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2009, 07:14:31 pm »


Ireland has the same problem - some of them fee lwringed by the English and want the North Back - personally I would see having the North back a large drain on the Irish governement and they could not handle it  - Ireland is going bankrupt now because of the influx of Romanian, Polish and other E.U. citizens who are entitled to live here, and claim for all their kids back home and send money to them.  Family child allowance in Ireland is 135.00 per month for one child, increasing as you have more children.  The monthly salary in some E.U. countries is 330.00 euros per month - so if they have three kids, and move on their own to Ireland, they can work and earn up to 600 euros per week, and because they are working here, are entitled to over 400.00 euros per month to send home for the upkeep of their kids.

Its a way for the new entries into Europe to have their population get rich - legally - but as Ireland have only 4 million tax payers and 2 million people that are non-nationals claiming on the system - we are in a bit of a pickle - or hot soup - or something

Imagine having that problem in Scotland - you would be begging the English to stay  :o

Hi Snoopy, I cant believe Ireland has 2million non nationals in the country. Where did you get those figures? At the 2006 census non EU nationals outnumbered EU nationals and their combined total was 419,733.
JD  

JD

  • Joined Nov 2008
  • Glasgow
Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2009, 07:15:50 pm »
Sorry still cant do the quotes properly.
JD

Snoopy

  • Joined Aug 2009
Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2009, 02:42:13 pm »
Hiya JD

The quarterly statistics for each country for migration are sent to European statistics by border control in the
U.K.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/newsarticles/2009/november/immigration-asylum-stats

In Ireland it is a bit messier to get the information, as several departments have figures, but visa applications, social
welfare claimants and legal immigrants are recorded by various places.

I took figures from all over the place, and so cannot give you a link, and my figures could be out if there are any overlap on people counted in different situations.

You are correct in that the only statistics that are published and available to the public is the last 2006 census report.

I have been studying loads of europa, eurybase and other academic databases for figures and information for the
Social Science Diploma exam that I have been doing at home for the last three weeks.

Finished it today - by the way, I hope you can make it to meet up with us all on the 7th - will be nice to put a face to the name.
 ;D
Julie
Living the Good Life and spreading the word

sandy

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Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2009, 06:49:41 pm »
My own homecomming next  year 2010 on my birthday as well, all comming from everywhere!

Fluffywelshsheep

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Near Stirling, Central Scotland
Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2009, 10:46:15 pm »
Would be good and then all those 'scots' people would stop shouting about being ruled by the 'English' lol
It is possible but I believe their might be a financial issues. (my opinion).

Linz



JD

  • Joined Nov 2008
  • Glasgow
Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2009, 10:49:02 pm »
Thanks Julie I think Ireland is just too wellcoming and has to get tougher. Good luck with the exam. Dont know yet about Monday may be in Cheshire will find out friday.
JD  

jameslindsay

  • Joined Feb 2009
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Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2009, 04:34:26 pm »
This will no doubt open a can of worms today, this is on the BBC News website. Agree with the Judge or not?


Judge A 66-year-old church elder convicted of indecently assaulting a child will not be sent to jail because his obesity means his health is "precarious".

John William McConaghy, from Urbal Road, Dervock, County Antrim, was found guilty of indecent assault.

David Smyth at Antrim Crown Court suspended a two-and-a-half year term.

He said McConaghy's lack of mobility, ulcerated legs and need for frequent dressings amounted to "wholly exceptional circumstances".

The jail term was suspended for three years and a £10,000 fine was also imposed.

During a 10-day trial in October McConaghy's victim, who is now 44, said she was indecently assaulted from the age of around 10 until she was 18.

HappyHippy

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Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2009, 04:58:36 pm »
No - I don't agree - he has to pay the price for a crime (one of the most horrendous IMHO) he has been proven to have committed(and repeated for 8 years!) and I don't think a fine is the right way to do this >:( Lock him up, let him rot  >:(
Or even better, bring back capital punishment - free up cash for more needy causes and solve the over population in prisons - AND maybe, just maybe potential crims would be put off - by knowing they faced death if caught.
I should be prime minister don't ya think  ;)

jameslindsay

  • Joined Feb 2009
  • Nr St Andrews, Fife
  • "Blossom" one of my Pygmy Goats
Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2009, 05:00:14 pm »
I'll vote for you HH. I think it is wrong too. he knows he can't go to jail so why the hell should he part with £10000 to pay his fine??? How can they punish him then?

doganjo

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Re: Todays Debate
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2009, 05:28:57 pm »
This is just ridiculous.  The punishments seem to be so lax for serious crimes.  But it isn't anything new.  I remember the young lad who killed my late husband in a car crash was convicted of careless driving - his punishment?  £400 fine, ban for three months and resit his test.
And what of this war criminal in the news just now, who apparently is 90+  what will happen there - he allegedly murdered, or was in charge of murdering, 30,000 people!
Always have been, always will be, a WYSIWYG - black is black, white is white - no grey in my life! But I'm mellowing in my old age

 

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