Author Topic: How to present a fleece at a show  (Read 8351 times)

Bionic

  • Joined Dec 2010
  • Talley, Carmarthenshire
How to present a fleece at a show
« on: July 03, 2014, 12:38:14 pm »
Our local show has a best fleece section. Can anyone tell me how I should present the fleece please
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Blacksheep

  • Joined May 2008
Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2014, 10:55:56 pm »
Usually you have to present the fleece as you would send it to the wool board, ie correctly rolled up and tied with the neck fleece

SallyintNorth

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Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2014, 11:16:41 pm »
Usually you have to present the fleece as you would send it to the wool board, ie correctly rolled up and tied with the neck fleece

Fleecewife will no doubt be along shortly with detailed advice.

I'm sure she's told me that the skirting would need to be more than you would do for the Wool Board (as indeed it would be for a handspinner), that you would pick out every piece of VM - with tweasers, if necessary, and that you would not make a rope of the neck wool and tuck it in.

But my memory is awful so it'd be better to wait for her to come along and tell you in her own words! 

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Bionic

  • Joined Dec 2010
  • Talley, Carmarthenshire
Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2014, 02:57:31 am »
Usually you have to present the fleece as you would send it to the wool board, ie correctly rolled up and tied with the neck fleece

Fleecewife will no doubt be along shortly with detailed advice.

I'm sure she's told me that the skirting would need to be more than you would do for the Wool Board (as indeed it would be for a handspinner), that you would pick out every piece of VM - with tweasers, if necessary, and that you would not make a rope of the neck wool and tuck it in.

But my memory is awful so it'd be better to wait for her to come along and tell you in her own words!


Oh no, not the dreaded VM. I will be doing it forever  :roflanim:
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Me

  • Joined Feb 2014
  • Wild West
Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2014, 08:29:30 am »
as you would send it to the wool board

Thrown in a big bag with a load of dags and bits of skin?

SallyintNorth

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Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2014, 09:32:29 am »
as you would send it to the wool board

Thrown in a big bag with a load of dags and bits of skin?

And farmers wonder why they get so little for their wool from the Wool Board!   ::) :D
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Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
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Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2014, 11:20:08 am »
First check exactly how your show wants the fleeces to be presented eg in a bin liner (aagh!), rolled with a rope of neck wool or not.  See if you can find out who's judging - if it's a Wool Board person then they will want it slightly differently done compared with a craft worker.

Firstly, your fleece needs to be representative of the breed, so check your breed standard for wool info.

Choose your fleece for showing carefully.  You know how you would assess a fleece before deciding whether or not to spin it - similar criteria hold for showing.  Check VM, staple strength and length, no cotting, even colour, even crimp throughout, no double cuts, no contamination with markers or polypropylene twine.  If there is a lot of VM then choose a different fleece.  I once spent 4 hours picking over a fleece for showing - not worth it (although it did get a second at the Royal Highland Show  :excited:

Spread the fleece on a board, tips side up. Skirt the fleece thoroughly - don't leave any belly wool (well, I don't), if the britch wool is coarse, then be generous with removing the worse bits.  If there is some matting around the neck, or severe contamination with hay and feed, you can remove that wool, but if it extends a long way then use a different fleece.
Try and get the fleece as rectangular as possible, by removing some of the britch as above - this makes it easier to roll neatly.
When you roll the fleece, take your time and take care.  Fold the sides in neatly, with no gaps in the fleece, or the next layer will poke through.  I don't roll my fleeces as tightly as the Wool Board wants, but then their intention is to squash as many fleeces as possible into a sheet.  Your intention is to show the qualities of your fleece to its best advantage.  So don't roll it too tightly, but make sure the edges are rolled to the same degree as the middle, so you avoid the tombola effect.  If you were selling to a handspinner, you would roll it fairly loosely, but for showing it needs to be tight enough not to fall to bits when it's taken out of the sack for display, so you want a happy medium. 
If the show has said not to wrap the fleece with a neck wool rope, then just keep rolling to the end and it will all stick to itself.
If it has to be in a bin bag, don't leave it in there for long.

Most shows want the fleece labelled twice - one label on the outside of the sack, and one poped inside with the fleece itself.

When's the show Sally?   Good luck with it and of course tell us all about it - with pics  :thumbsup:





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Blacksheep

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Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2014, 12:06:18 pm »
Sorry thought the having the fleece as clean as possible without contamination would go without saying, as well as selecting your best quality fleece!  Just meant that generally it should be wrapped correctly, ie in the way that is requested by the wool board and now explained in detail by fleecewife, unless specified otherwise.   
Quite often it will be someone from the wool board judging the fleece, so they will be looking for it to be presented correctly wrapped in woolboard manner (not with contamination and bits of skin!),  it will probably be unwrapped during judging though.  If you do have a judge from the Woolboard it is worthwhile asking them for any feedback on your fleece afterwards, they are often very helpful and of course very knowledgeable, if somewhat technical. 
Good Luck  :)

Bramblecot

  • Joined Jul 2008
Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2014, 01:17:09 pm »
I turned up at my first show with my fleece in a supermarket bag with a tea towel on top :-[ :-[ .  Everyone else had either put them in pillow cases or a clean folded sheet. So embarrassing! 
They were put out the night before and covered with the pillow cases.  I think in the morning the stewards just took off the covers.  In the end I put mine on the table with the tea towel on top!  But I won first prize :excited: .  Bit of a fluke, I've not repeated that since.
The judges usually provide a feedback sheet showing how they have marked the fleece and sometimes put helpful comments.  I am usually criticised for not removing enough VM - laziness on my part, I shall make more effort this year.  And I was told last year that they definitely do not want to see the neck wool tightly rolled and poked back into the fleece.  Just allow the last piece of neck wool to sit on the top of the rolled fleece.
Good luck Sally, it is great fun :thumbsup:

Bionic

  • Joined Dec 2010
  • Talley, Carmarthenshire
Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2014, 01:33:58 pm »


When's the show Sally?   Good luck with it and of course tell us all about it - with pics  :thumbsup:
It's only a local show on 3rd Thursday in August so still got plenty of time to remove VM  ;D


The fleece I would like to show is from my coloured shearling ram which looks nice for spinning but if it's anything like the judging for my sheep last year (judge put my babies last admitting he didn't know what to do with them) I am not expecting great things.
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shygirl

  • Joined May 2013
Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2014, 08:25:05 am »
what does VM mean?

Bionic

  • Joined Dec 2010
  • Talley, Carmarthenshire
Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2014, 08:27:53 am »
The dreaded VM - vegetable matter. My sheep seem to always have loads of it. Seeds, bits of twigs, hay. You name it they have it. Oh, what a joy it is trying to remove it. Still, if I am going to spin the fleece I have to remove it anyway.
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SallyintNorth

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Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2014, 08:39:51 am »
There is also 'VM of animal origin' - namely poo !  :D
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Dogwalker

  • Joined Nov 2011
Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2014, 10:16:59 am »
The dreaded VM - vegetable matter. My sheep seem to always have loads of it. Seeds, bits of twigs, hay. You name it they have it. Oh, what a joy it is trying to remove it. Still, if I am going to spin the fleece I have to remove it anyway.

Have you ever seen an angora goat kid whose investigated a patch of goose grass. ::) :roflanim:

Fleecewife

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Re: How to present a fleece at a show
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2014, 12:37:00 pm »
The dreaded VM - vegetable matter. My sheep seem to always have loads of it. Seeds, bits of twigs, hay. You name it they have it. Oh, what a joy it is trying to remove it. Still, if I am going to spin the fleece I have to remove it anyway.

Have you ever seen an angora goat kid whose investigated a patch of goose grass. ::) :roflanim:

I love that mental picture  :goat: :roflanim:
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Do something today that your future self will thank you for - plant a tree

 Love your soil - it's the lifeblood of your land.

 

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