[RaisinHall Tamworths]

I have no idea, I did hear from someone that the Pietrain did have a sudden death syndrome complex, if complex is indeed the right word, when its under a huge amount of stress. However I always thought that to be a myth, I have never kept them myself, so I do not know.

Not a myth that they can drop dead, it is called Porcine Stress Syndrome.  Heavy muscled pigs (like pure Pietrain) are more likely to carry the halothane gene.  Think they start with muscle tremours and can be dead in 15 minutes. The gene that causes Porcine Stress Syndrome can be identified so it is now bred out of them so it is a rarer feature thankfully now of the Pietrain  . 


Ours is just a diva 

[shygirl]

I have no idea, I did hear from someone that the Pietrain did have a sudden death syndrome complex, if complex is indeed the right word, when its under a huge amount of stress. However I always thought that to be a myth, I have never kept them myself, so I do not know.

Not a myth that they can drop dead, it is called Porcine Stress Syndrome.  Heavy muscled pigs (like pure Pietrain) are more likely to carry the halothane gene.  Think they start with muscle tremours and can be dead in 15 minutes. The gene that causes Porcine Stress Syndrome can be identified so it is now bred out of them so it is a rarer feature thankfully now of the Pietrain  . 


Ours is just a diva 

is there a similarity in this - to turkeys and broilers which can drop dead? or is that a heart thing

[waterbuffalofarmer]

I think there is, I know that over in America they have had similar problems with turkeys and the like.

[devonlad]

i understood there were 10 officially recognised rare breeds in Britain, British Lop by far the rarest closely followed by Middle White. The 8 others are British Saddleback, Tamworth, GOS, Large Black, Berkshire, Welsh and Large White. OSB has only very recently been recognised as pre4viously it did not breed true. whilst the mangalitza is not of British origin (Hungarian) it is likely that most lines can be traced back to include some of the now extinct Lincolnshire curly pig which was british

[waterbuffalofarmer]

i understood there were 10 officially recognised rare breeds in Britain, British Lop by far the rarest closely followed by Middle White. The 8 others are British Saddleback, Tamworth, GOS, Large Black, Berkshire, Welsh and Large White. OSB has only very recently been recognised as pre4viously it did not breed true. whilst the mangalitza is not of British origin (Hungarian) it is likely that most lines can be traced back to include some of the now extinct Lincolnshire curly pig which was british

Yes I have heard that before. The mangalitza was brought in to replace the Licolnshire curly coat. 

[Mr Pig]

There is NO evidence that modern Mangalitzas carry any genetic material from the Lincolnshire Curly Coats. Both breeds seperately developed with a curly coat through a gene mutation developed seperately. A few LCCs were exported to Europe in the 1950s and it was assumed that they would be used to improve the Mangalitza BUT there is no evidence of their appearing in any European pedigrees of existing stock so either they weren't used or their progeny was never registered pedigree. The story was made up by some of the people who imported the first stocks of them as a marketing ploy to help 'sell' them to a sceptical customer base.


Mangalitzas and LCCs are totally unrelated.

[devonlad]

There is NO evidence that modern Mangalitzas carry any genetic material from the Lincolnshire Curly Coats. Both breeds seperately developed with a curly coat through a gene mutation developed seperately. A few LCCs were exported to Europe in the 1950s and it was assumed that they would be used to improve the Mangalitza BUT there is no evidence of their appearing in any European pedigrees of existing stock so either they weren't used or their progeny was never registered pedigree. The story was made up by some of the people who imported the first stocks of them as a marketing ploy to help 'sell' them to a sceptical customer base.


Mangalitzas and LCCs are totally unrelated.

oh !! must check my sources more thoroughly then !! following quote is typical of many easily found on internet
[i"The original Lincolnshire Curly Coat pig became extinct in the early 1970s. However, during the last century several hundred were exported to Austria and Hungary to cross-breed with, and improve, the native Mangalitza curly coat pig – itself a rare breed which had been facing extinction in the second half of the last century. About a dozen Mangalitza sows and three boars were imported to the UK, for the first time, in 2006."
plus following link http://www.pigparadise.com/curly.html

[Marches Farmer]

If another breed is crossed in to improve a breed, how many generations have to pass before it can be discounted?  John Ellmore, who began improving the Southdown breed around 1780, crossed in some Merino to improve the quality of the wool, which remains the finest native breed wool today.  We have three distinct strains of SD, one of which has slightly flared nostrils compared to the standard "show" type.  I can trace the registered SD pedigree history of these animals back for many generations.  I'm in no doubt they're Southdowns and not Merino!

[rispainfarm]

Interesting if the Mangelista isn't related to the LCC, why have the BPA taken on the herd book.

[Mr Pig]

The same reason as the did the Duroc and the Pietrain - to make money!

[devonlad]

The same reason as the did the Duroc and the Pietrain - to make money!

would be very interested to find out the source for your most definite assertion as there is a huge amount od info which suggests otherwise

[Mr Pig]

The BPA is not dedicated to conservation issues or supporting native-only breeds. It is a commercial organisation (albeit a registered charity) which sees imported breeds as a business opportunity. Of all pedigree pig breeds in the UK, including those recently imported from abroad, it registers all but the British Lop and the Kune Kune.


My point was that the Mangalitza has no provable ancestry with the LCC. The implication that BPA only register pigs with UK origin is disproven by their already taking under their wing the Duroc and Pietrain before a Mangalitza ever set trotter on British soil.