[Snoopy]

Yes, its happening folks - not just a scary thought that some had
a few months ago from reading between the lines 

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20091015/tuk-mums-to-be-in-swine-flu-jab-controve-45dbed5.html

[RUSTYME]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv9g2CfDmbo&feature=related

and if you STILL  think that it is safe to have the swine flu jab , that your government wouldn't allow anything to happen to you ....there is this little fact too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McIbOQcDtns&feature=related

contains aspertame.... Donald Rumsfeld made the law that allowed this drug to be used in our food and drinks ... (he has $ interests in it )  even though they KNEW it was POISON !!! oh and yes , that is the same Donald Rumsfeld that has $ interests in Tamiflu, oh and the swine fly vaccine too ....but don't worry folks , you can be sure he has your best interests at heart .....you are safe in his hands .....

cheers

Russ

[RUSTYME]

another interesting little link here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._D._Searle_&_Company
 
another one here too..

http://www.rense.com/general66/sitit.htm



Donald Rumsfeld followed Searle as CEO, and then as President, of Searle between 1977 and 1985.
 In 1985, he played an instrumental role in the acquisition of G.D. Searle & Company by Monsanto.




cheers

Russ

[RUSTYME]

another link .. this gets more scary every minute....

http://www.rense.com/general66/sitit.htm

http://www.ritalindeath.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novartis

Novartis , the company that makes Ritalin ....

In January 2009 the United States Department of Health & Human Services awarded Novartis a $486 million contract for construction of the first US plant to produce cell-based influenza vaccine, to be located in Holly Springs, North Carolina. The stated goal of this program is the capability of producing 150,000,000 doses of pandemic vaccine within six months of declaring a flu pandemic.[15]

yes, thats reads in January 2009 ....remind me , when did swine flu break out ?? was it not April 2009 ?

cheers


 Russ

[Snoopy]

It is scary Russ - thats why theres only a few look for the truth

We are all conditioned to take the easy road and do as we are told

Its hard to break the mold - or should that be mould 

[HappyHippy]

The ritalin one REALLY got me scared 
My wee girl Kaitlin(4), the one who amongst other things climbs on top of her wardrobe and makes a break for freedom through any windows we leave open, is in the process of being diagnosed with ADHD.
Having tried natural remedies and homeopathy to relieve her symptoms along with set routines and pretty much everything we can - we're running out of ideas. I had hoped for a magic cure (as if !) and really thought medication was going to be it. BUT after reading the links I'm now in a state of dispair 
I love her to bits and would NEVER knowingly put her in any danger (hence no swine flu jabs) but I'm just totally stuck for what to do next to help her. And she does need help because her condition is so severe that she is a danger to herself - she just has no idea of safety and consequences of her actions. She thinks nothing of just running off - wherever she is !
Prior to having kids I was one of those people who thought ADHD was an excuse for bad parenting, but Rebecca(6) is fine, a normal kid who does what she's told (most of the time) and has reasoning and understanding, even when she was younger, so I'm not being unfair on Kaitlin or expecting too much from her.
But what do I do now 
Ah, the joys of being a parent  You spend all your pregnancy worrying about the baby in your belly thinking when they arrive it's going to be less of a worry cos you can see them - but that's when the worrying REALLY starts !
If any of you TASSERS have experience of ADHD I'd love some advice 

[MiriMaran]

Donald Rumsfeld has got to be THE scariest person on the planet!

As for ADHD HH everything you have described about Kaitlin also fits my 6 year old, Harry, perfectly.  The number of times he has been nearly run over are beyond counting.  He was at his worst at 4 and before he started school we started going down the road with the NHS to get a diagnosis.  When he was assessed they said he was borderline and probably just needed to start school to have the challenge and routine.  She was right - the improvement has been enormous.  He's by no means perfect and has an appalling temper, but he seems to have got slightly more sensible.  The summer when he was 4 I was tearing my hair out, totally at a loss as to what to do, thinking he would get excluded from school within the first week, but so far so good.  He is in year 1 now - is the 'challenging' child of the class, but they are dealing with him.

He is a very bright, articulate, charismatic, enchanting child, but with all that good stuff comes the flip side of a temper, lack of consideration for his actions, inability to listen.  He does everything at 110% and as one of his pre-school teachers said "Harry will be successful in whatever he does as an adult because he is so wilful and determind, but God, I'm glad I'm not his mother!"

Basically, HH don't worry too much and see what happens as Kaitlin goes through her first year at school.  Alternatively try finding someone who does cranial massage for children - thats what I'm thinking of doing for Harry - its supposed to be great for balancing them.

[HappyHippy]

Hi Mirimaran,
Like Harry, Kaitlin is INCREDIBLY smart ! She also a very loving, sweet little girl. She does have a temper (I always put that down to the red hair  ) but we don't often see it - when we do - WOW stand well clear !
We've been seeing doctors, phycologists, speach and hearing specialists etc for over 2 years (the initial referral happened when she was just 2) The nursery she attended is linked to the primary school so they knew what she was like prior to starting and have been great - but they feel (as we do) that we need to get somewhere with a diagnosis and/or treatment soon for Kaitlin's sake, as she doesn't mix with her peers and although she enjoys learning she lacks the ability to sit still and take it in unless on a one to one basis. I always just put it down to her being different from Rebecca and everyone told me "you never get two the same" but everyone who deals with her has said there's definately more to it than just being unruley. One night as I was putting her to bed she started crying and said she was so sorry for being naughty, she wanted to be a good girl and make mummy proud  It broke my heart because she IS a good kid, there just doesn't seem to be any way for her to control it (we've done the food exclusion and everything we eat is made from scratch - no nasties so we know it's not this) I just want her to enjoy a normal childhood with friends and happy times and for her to get the most out of her education as possible - I don't want her to become a teen crime statistic or look back when she's an adult and think we've failed her by not doing more.
I think I'll look into the cranial massage, I'm also going to see my Reki master as I think she'll have more impact on Kaitlin than my novice attempts. It's a constant struggle but we remain positive for her sake (only now and again, like now, do I sit down, really think about it and that's when the tears come  )
Sorry for the ramble - time to stop feeling sorry for myself and go hug my kids. 

[Snoopy]

Ooh Karen, you have me in tears now Mrs.

It is awful just not knowing, and worrying about the future is not an option now.
You will drive yourself daft, you know, and I know, that you are already doing what you can, you are a wonderful mother and it will be no fault of yours whatever happens in the future, but believe me, that little girl loves you and she will always be your friend.

I think Joe may have had adhd, but it didn't have a name when he went to school, he also has red hair and a fairly wicked temper - but hey, none of us are perfect, he is very intelligent and can make anything with his hands.  Tara is very similar to Joe, she is highly intelligent and although she mixes and gets on with people on the farm and at the zoo, she has no friends at school.
The problem with schools is they want the easy option, if theres any problems they want to label it or have it taken away for someone else to deal with - Tara has had problems at school for five years, the teacher always said it was Tara that was oversensitive or imagining things - the "problem" left the school in September and - guess what, Tara is doing great and the teachers have suddelny realised they were wrong in their judgements of Tara - a bit late for Tara now, but she will be leaving in June for a new school.

The other problem is ending up giving your child sedatives every day, which is what happened to a friend of mines son, you are right to look at head massage and reiki, keep away from chemical fixes as I am sure its more behaviour therapy and deep understanding and talking that helps the most.

Now, I will go away and shut up - but send my love to you and mirimaran and the lovely children you have

You and Mirimaran have a lot in common, your both great mothers, your both into animals, you both keep yourselves very very busy, and you both are wanting the best for your children.  Theres two incredibly strong and loving mothers doing more than their best xxx

[HappyHippy]

Thanks Julie 
Sorry for being so doom and gloom, every now and then it just gets really hard - I'm feeling much better now 
Can I just say though, the school have been really good. We do feel incredibly supported by them and I don't think it's a case of them looking for the easy option - I really do think that they do want to help her and us through this. Once there's an official diagnosis they can access additional funding to bring in more resources that will be purely for Kaitlin but until that point they can't do much else. I just keep hounding the doctors, we're due to see another team of people in January - but me, being me, wants that appointment NOW ! (Patience has NEVER been my strong point  )

[Fluffywelshsheep]

Hiya Hippy have to looked at the drink she has as me and my sister had problems with orange squash when we where little, My sister still can't eat roast chicken flavoured crisp due to the additives they have in the flavouring.

Linz

[HappyHippy]

Hi Linz,
We've been there already ! All she drinks now is water and milk with the very occaisional fresh fruit juice or cup of tea - Asda'a squashes (especially the red ones) did make her much worse so they were quickly disposed of. When I was younger my little sister used to go completely nuts if she had irn-bru, like totally manic psyco nuts ! 
We are really zero tolerance on any kind of additives in the kids foods - but it makes no difference to Kaitlin I'm afraid 
It's a really long and drawn out story, from birth there were problems (even the pregnancy was bloody awful compared to my others !) But I don't want to bore everyone to tears with the story, suffice to say we're totally clued up about every aspect of ADHD and other behavioural problems (autism, aspergers etc) and we've explored avenues even the health proffesionals haven't, and will continue to do so until we manage to help my wee girl become the person she wants to be and not the one who's sad and lonely. God ! I'm off again, better go before I start blubbing all over my keyboard - like I said, as long as I don't think too much about the long term and focus on being happy, calm and consistent for her we manage each day as it comes.

[Snoopy]

HH So glad that your school is helping you - we just didn't get that here - but then again we are "blow-ins" and not locals, which I think was also against us unfortunately.

Managing each day as it comes is a great way to go forward - and remember,  you are our Happy Hippy   

[HappyHippy]

That's me 
Peace and love, man -peace and love .......

[MiriMaran]

HH try to concentrate on the good that Kaitlin does - if she is anything like Harry she will be a comic and have everyone in stitches on occassions.  Funny, talking about the red hair - no guesses what Harry's hair colour is?!  Sounds to me like you are doing the very best you can - just make sure you don't get pushed from department to department in the NHS.  When Harry started school, because he was very full on, some children found him very hard to cope with.  He ended up feeling rejected, the harder he tried to be accepted, the more full on he was and the more the other children would back off.  The result of this was that Harry started soiling himself at school and not telling the teachers.  Once he told me that he poohed in the playground and since he was wearing boxers the pooh dropped down his trouser leg so he stamped on it to make sure nobody would see and of course trod it into the classroom - didn't tell the teacher though.  Anyway, trying to get an appointment with Encoporesis unit was like trying to climb Everest - ed psychs and clinical psychs were refering us backwards and forwards and thankfully before they had sorted themselves out Harry stopped doing it.

I find with Harry for all the heartache he causes he can melt my heart in a nano second.  Like the other day he was being a pain at the dinner table so he was sent to the naughty step.  We carried on eating and then heard a little voice singing Christmas Pudding - I nearly wet myself laughing!  A couple of weeks ago he told me, with a very earnest look on his face, that when I die he would put a bar of chocolate in my coffin so that when I turned into a zombie I would have something eat if I felt hungry!


Thanks for your kind words by the way Snoopy and I've just realised we are way off topic now - sorry Russ!