[mowhaugh]

Just been reading the guidance again, and it says that pigs must be identified before leaving holding of birth with either tag, tattoo, slapmark or temporary mark (so long as under 12 months and just moving between farms)

Don't know where you got your information from, but it's wrong. They can move from the holding of birth on a temporary mark as long as they're less than a year old. But a second move (either holding to holding or holding to abattoir or to a show) requires a tag with YOUR herd mark.

Sorry, didn't word that right, thank you for clarifying.  I did understand it from the ScotEID guidance, but managed to type something different!

OK, have read the guidance again, and I do think it says what I put first, and I am thinking it says the same as you said, Tudful Tamworths, but of course you have added the extra info about it needing to be tagged for a second move?  I am not trying to be argumentative (and as far as I can see we agree anyway!), but I am unsure what is incorrect about my original statement and would appreciate it is someone could explain in words of one syllable so I don't get it wrong and break any rules!  Sheep are so much simpler!

[shygirl]

I think scotlands different....

[hughesy]

And obviously all this is referring to pigs that will be going for meat, not registered stock that will be kept for breeding.

[Sasha]

I should have probably clarified things in my original post.  For some reason the weaners I bought in have the plastic button tags in their ears even though it was their first move off holding of birth.  I'm now got a friend who'd like to buy a couple off me to root around their farm as pets and I don't know if I'm supposed to add my own tag as well?  Because otherwise they'd be moving on a mark that's not mine, but surely it's a bit daft for them to have two different tags in for the two holdings they've been on?  It's all so confusing...

[mowhaugh]

Sorry I have hijacked your thread, Sasha!

[Sasha]

No problem!

[Fowgill Farm]

I should have probably clarified things in my original post.  For some reason the weaners I bought in have the plastic button tags in their ears even though it was their first move off holding of birth.  I'm now got a friend who'd like to buy a couple off me to root around their farm as pets and I don't know if I'm supposed to add my own tag as well?  Because otherwise they'd be moving on a mark that's not mine, but surely it's a bit daft for them to have two different tags in for the two holdings they've been on?  It's all so confusing...

If you are moving them on to live somewhere else they should be moved on the tags they came to you on as they are the breeders tags. Just note the deatils on your movement licence.
For slaughter in'theory' they should have your own tags however in practice most abbattoirs will accept them on the breeders tags, we quite often give people buying weaners metal slaughter tags bearing our details if it is their first foray into pigs as its so expensive to buy pliers and tags for 2 pigs! We have never had any come back and because of AML's and info on those the traceable element is complete. This is in England.
HTH
mandy
 

[oaklandspigs]

Sorry, I have come in a bit late on this one, my wife has been judging at Crufts.

A couple of quick points.

1.England, Scotland and Wales have exactly the same rules, but they are enacted under there different pieces of legislation.

2. It is NOT illegal to slapmark, tattoo, or eartag a weaner, but because it can (can not does) cause confusion later then (apart from any breed tattoos, which have nothing to do with legal id), it has become normal practice not to tag or otherwise weaners leaving holding of birth live to live under 12 months, and it is normal to only have a temporary paint mark.  If breeder does it, then that's up to them, and if you want to then that's fine.

[mowhaugh]

Thank you, that is very helpful.

[Sasha]

Thanks, I'll just move them on the ones they've got in and put it on the movement license.  I didn't see the point in him having tagged them either.