Author Topic: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland  (Read 8811 times)

Daisys Mum

  • Joined May 2009
  • Scottish Borders
Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« on: February 22, 2014, 09:57:14 am »
This is a letter that I read in my local paper,not something that I had heard before. All opinions are the letter writers.

I wish to draw readers’ attention to something currently before the Scottish Parliament which has been overlooked by just about all of us while the focus has been on the independence issue.This is the proposal that all dogs in Scotland should be muzzled in public places at all times. Not just dangerous dogs. All dogs.
This could become law in a matter of weeks.
There would not be a single responsible dog owner in the whole UK, let alone Scotland, who would excuse the keeping of dangerous dogs, or who would feel anything other than revulsion, sorrow and anger at the tragedies which they have caused.
Yet the fact is, as we know from the news, that these horrific attacks occur within the home, not in public places. Neither would the muzzling of canines in public provide protection from attacks by dangerous animals that posties and other workers suffer – again on private rather than public property.
But in a bigoted, knee-jerk reaction, the Scottish Parliament could be about to punish hundreds of thousands of innocent dog owners and their pets for the wickedness of the criminal few.
The proponents of this measure are blind to a number of factors, some of which actually undermine the very aim of achieving a safe environment for both dogs and the people with whom they come in contact.
Let us consider what it will be like if dogs have to be constantly muzzled when they are out. Never again will families, including children, be able to enjoy the fun of playing with their pets, throwing balls or sticks for them to chase and retrieve, or watching them romp with their canine friends.
There is a serious issue here. In order to be confident and non-aggressive, dogs need to play and generally to socialise with other dogs.
Furthermore, a mature pet which has always had the freedom to play is not going to be able to understand why its owners are now forcing this contraption onto its face and condemning it to a life without play. Ironically, this new law could turn a hitherto calm, relaxed and friendly animal into an anxious, mentally-disturbed and potentially-aggressive one.
Related to this is a second factor. Dog training relies on a combination of command and reward. Obedience to a command is rewarded by an edible treat. How can a dog be given a treat if its mouth is clamped shut? The new law will make it very much more difficult, if not impossible, to train and control dogs.
Perhaps most alarmingly of all is the effect that this measure would have on the welfare of an animal and, indeed, its life.
Would the brilliant brains at Holyrood who are behind this proposal care to explain to us how, in hot weather, a muzzled dog is going to be able to drink? Or even breathe? I wonder which MSPs are going to have the guts to meet distraught children and tell them why they had to watch helplessly while their much-loved pets died because they were forbidden by law to remove their muzzles?
We only have until March 31 to stop this cruel, heartless and thoroughly-stupid proposal becoming law.
If you share my views, as well as contacting your MSPs, please tell your friends and other dog owners to do the same. I’d also ask those of you who are conversant with social media to use this so that this plea can go as quickly as possible across Scotland.
Anne

Clarebelle

  • Joined Jan 2013
  • Orkney
Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2014, 10:36:41 am »
I completely agree with the sentiments of this letter writer. I think this proposal isn't well thought out, and as the letter points out, muzzling every dog in public is unlikely to solve the current problems caused by out of control dogs.

I really feel for the families that have suffered at the hands of some dogs and also those people like Hillview who have had livestock attacked by out of control dogs but I don' think muzzling is the answer. They should bring back dog licenses maybe? Or actually prosecute irresponsible dogs owners instead of giving them a slap on the wrist.

Shropshirelass

  • Joined Jul 2012
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Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2014, 11:19:38 am »
Being  a veterinary professional I find it a rather stupid proposal for a new law - nearly every day I see dogs that do need muzzling or that can't be controlled by their owners - but equally I see the same amount of dogs across all breeds that are well behaved, well adjusted dogs thanks to good owners.

A lot of the dogs that we do need to muzzle for safety reasons in practice are in pain or have behavioral issues - often due to owners picking the wrong breed, not giving enough exercise or no training.  But a lot don't have to be muzzled for long & often taking the owner away from a stressed situation often calms the dog.

Most of these dog attacks are down to the 3 reasons above but also people not realizing that any dog CAN BITE - many in the home occur on children & babies & when strangers encounter the house - If the dogs never been brought up with children & some come along pulling & tugging at it & the dog can't get away it's not fair on the dog. Again with babies if its new parents & the dogs not being brought up around them & is used to been the center of attention & this thing comes in & has it all & is crying loudly & is the size of a small prey animal & makes a similar noise things like jealousy & prey instinct can come into it. If strangers walk into the house & the dogs not well socialized or is quite a protective dog - the dog should be removed from the situation. I myself had a dog attack mine for a unknown reason when walking my dog & ended up with a chunk of my leg missing - that was a cairn terrier - not a Bulldog or guard dog breed!

I do believe before anyone buys a dog they should do their research, realize the commitments of dog ownership & take the time to train their dog - If you don't then your asking for problems - if you do you can have a great lifelong friend. So in my opinion most dogs don't need muzzling in public but SOME do & the owners that do are being responsible in doing so because they are aware their dog needs one.  Muzzles however are a great tool when needed in the appropriate situations & dog attacks as we are now seeing occur in ALL BREEDS.

Croftgary

  • Joined Sep 2008
  • Aberdour,Fife
Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2014, 11:25:00 am »
Here is the link to the consultation document perhaps worth reading this first!


http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2013/12/6115/downloads

lord flynn

  • Joined Mar 2012
Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2014, 01:04:23 pm »
have skim read it-its certainly not in favour of mandatory muzzling for all dogs and in fact point out how unfair this would be for good owners and good dogs-as well as the welfare issues. They are for mandatory chipping-well, so am I. My equines are all chipped and passported. although passporting has been done very badly for horses, for dogs this or a decent licensing scheme plus chipping would bring about some accountability-if it can be enforced.

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2014, 03:13:45 pm »
Thank you for the link Croftgarry - always better to go to the source.

This is a small part of what is actually written in the consultation paper:


The Scottish Parliament has introduced muzzling as one of the conditions that can
be imposed by local authorities as part of the issuing of a dog control notice under
the Control of Dogs (Scotland) Act 2010 for dogs that have been found to be out of
control
. The Scottish Government is not persuaded that a more general system is
practical or justified. However the case for and against can be put forward in this
consultation.



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Rosemary

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Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2014, 03:36:48 pm »
Someone got the wrong end of the stick, looks like.  :)

Croftgary

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Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2014, 05:47:59 pm »

Daisys Mum

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Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2014, 07:26:51 pm »
Someone got the wrong end of the stick, looks like.  :)
Looks like it. Must say I am very relieved, I would struggle to get chihuahua size muzzles  ;D
Anne

Rosemary

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Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2014, 07:37:49 pm »
Someone got the wrong end of the stick, looks like.  :)
Looks like it. Must say I am very relieved, I would struggle to get chihuahua size muzzles  ;D

 ;D You'd have to knit your own.

Herdygirl

  • Joined Sep 2011
Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2014, 07:41:51 pm »
You could use a hair bobble DM !  :innocent:

doganjo

  • Joined Aug 2012
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Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2014, 07:42:40 pm »
A friend of mine has also misread it - she has written an open letter to Mr Salmond and had a reply in the same vein as the consultation document.  She doesn't believe it and won't retract her letter.

I would worry a little that it is the thin end of the wedge, and that pushing for this may be fuelled by the anti dog brigade.

I would also worry for all the short nosed breeds, including Chi's, size would not be the only issue - a muzzle could potentially lead to suffocation in some breeds.

I am concerned that this is another knee jerk reaction to children being attacked by dogs that their owners should never have had, and should never have been left alone with children or small adults.

In my view a more thorough examination of all dog breeding is necessary not a fix of the symptoms using elastoplast.

Many 'once only', 'my bitch/dog is so lovely I want one like her/him', or 'backyard' breeders (anyone who puts a dog to a bitch is a breeder no matter how much they may deny it!) are only concerned with getting rid of the pups they have created for as much money as they can get, rather than suitably intelligent and knowledgeable homes.  I admit there are some equally unscrupulous breeders on the previous Accredited Breeder Scheme, and possibly although less likely in the Assured breeder Scheme, but generally speaking  recognised and responsible Breed breeders do take care who they sell to.
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Shropshirelass

  • Joined Jul 2012
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Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2014, 07:47:32 pm »
Bit hard to get the full story when the proper documentation wasn't presented in the 1st place & an essay put in place of a simple explanation - but there you go - that's a opinion from someone who sees bad dog behavior & has to use muzzles correctly on a daily basis.

doganjo

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Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2014, 10:38:27 am »
Quite agree SL.  Puppies are not born bad, as babies aren't.  Circumstances and upbringing change them.  As you say, muzzles are necessary in some circumstances, but they are not the solution - this muzzling suggestion is sticking plaster on an open wound, but it will be grabbed by the  anti doggers
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Rosemary

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Re: Muzzling all dogs in Scotland
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2014, 01:36:55 pm »
If you are worried about this, I suggest you respond to the consultation as the best way to prevent it becoming law.

 

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