[shygirl]

why does it seem to be so acceptable to be hated for just being English?
if i was pakistani etc it would be soo non-pc but being english and living in scotland it just seems fair game.

had a crap day at work today. the scottish wifeys must have forgotten i was there as they were talking being at the movies and about having to sit next to these English people with such hatred in their voices, it was if they had to sit next to someone who had shat themselves.

when they realised id overheard they did apologise but why is it necessary to hate someone just because of the place they were born?
oh well, shame im their boss  ha ha

[bloomer]

you realise in Scotland that is covered under race discrimination laws...


as we discovered when one of the kids was getting a hard time at school for being english...


schools don't want a race discrimination issue on there file and work very hard to resolve the problem...


might be worth pointing it out to said staff!!!

[MikeM]

so, they only realised it was wrong when they were caught out? Sound like some pretty unpleasant people to me, I'd have the book thrown at them.

[Hamish Crofter]

Call their bluff. I find that engaging them in a conversation about independance and saying you are a supporter of independance confuses such people!

[NicandChic]

I dont think its acceptble & not in a work place....(Although maybe they don't class you the same as the other 'english'  bit like my hubby & his feelings towards those in the shire 
I was born in Coventry, spent my youth in Oxord, moved up to bonnie scotland, married a Scot & have had 2 children up here - both have my English accent hee hee! I'd like them to sound more scottish seeing as this is where they were born and as they grow hopefully they will but hey ho, it's a big world and we can't like everybody for what ever reasons! 

[Rosemary]

That's a real shame. I thought we (the Scots) had got past this anti-English attitude - I think it stems from the feeling of downtrodden-ness and second class-ness that Scots have often felt or have been subjected to by their 'English Masters".  But it's pretty outdated now.

I agree with NicandChic that there are different degrees of Englishness and they probably don't think of you as English. Bit like me and Dan 

[doganjo]

I think what many people need to remember is that this is a throw back to the times when we were oppressed by 'The English'  NOT by each and every individual English born person who has ever come to live amongst us - but by 'The English' inasmuch as King Edward's Army - we sent him hame again tae think again.

As individuals,  generally speaking English, Irish, Welsh, French, German - and any other nationals are welcomed by the majority of people in my country.  There are a few who really believe what tehy are saying but that is most likely because they are ignorant rather than racist.

But personally speaking if 'proud Edward' ever rose again I'd be in there with my targe too. 

Why not try giving your staff a History lesson Shygirl, and I do wish English and any other person would stop taking offence so easily and learn our history. of being downtrodden.

[shygirl]

i have learnt your history doganjo, we have walked around culloden mortified and shameful of what the english have done. there are no excuses. but i didnt do it.....
however my brother died in the army protecting the uk, not just england.
although i class myself as english, iv lived in 5 different countries, in england for 15 yrs and scotland for 10.
iv 2 kids born in scotland tho we all speak with an english accent 
i cant seem to lose my accent at all, and neither do i want to, but it is funny that i understand the broadest doric. scottish words come into my head but only english ones come out of my mouth.

the funny thing is the ladies i work with are actually kind, always giving me toys and clothes etc for the kids but i was taken aback over the bitterness and hatred that i overheard.     
nevermind

[Bodger]

I think what many people need to remember is that this is a throw back to the times when we were oppressed by 'The English'  NOT by each and every individual English born person who has ever come to live amongst us - but by 'The English' inasmuch as King Edward's Army - we sent him hame again tae think again.

As individuals,  generally speaking English, Irish, Welsh, French, German - and any other nationals are welcomed by the majority of people in my country.  There are a few who really believe what tehy are saying but that is most likely because they are ignorant rather than racist.

But personally speaking if 'proud Edward' ever rose again I'd be in there with my targe too. 

Why not try giving your staff a History lesson Shygirl, and I do wish English and any other person would stop taking offence so easily and learn our history. of being downtrodden.

Try living today and taking that sort of stick everyday before spouting history. Its happening to shygirl today and its not pleasant being judged, not for who you are or what your about but basically on what is a accident of birth. Nobody has any control of where you just happen to have been born.

[doganjo]

But that's the point - it wasn't directed at you,  nor your family nor your lovely brother    - it was directed at a history that they probably don't properly understand.  Just ignore them or teach them!  

[doganjo]

Try living today and taking that sort of stick everyday before spouting history. Its happening to shygirl today and its not pleasant being judged, not for who you are or what your about but basically on what is a accident of birth. Nobody has any control of where you just happen to have been born.

I have done, my husband was born in Aylesbury, lived in Plymstock most of his life till he moved up here in the early 90's and met me.  I know what it was like for him to hear such vile tones - but NONE of it was aimed at him, and  he eventually realised that and became as Scots if not more so than me.  I could have counted on my hands the number of non Scottish people at his funeral.   He is still remembered with love in Old Rayne 11 years later. 

These people are NOT judging Shygirl or her family - they are judging the oppressors of hundreds of years ago.  They need educating, they are for the most part not bad people - just misinformed. It isn't a crime.

[Bodger]

There's no place for racism, there can't be any excuse for it. It ruins peoples lives.

[doganjo]

There's no place for racism, there can't be any excuse for it. It ruins peoples lives.

I agree wholeheartedly but I really don't think this is.

I DO have experience of this - my son-in-law is English, as are his parents who live here, my late husband also was English, as were his brothers and sisters.  They are all loved as if they had been born here.

If these words shygirl heard had been directed at her or her family they would be racist.  I agree it is not nice but these people are to be pitied and educated.

[bloomer]

annie remember i love you lots...


but it is... racism is any discrimination against any individual because of their personal beliefs or place of birth.


Even though it wasn't directed at Shygirl it was about people from England so was racism...

[doganjo]

annie remember i love you lots...


but it is... racism is any discrimination against any individual because of their personal beliefs or place of birth.


Even though it wasn't directed at Shygirl it was about people from England so was racism...

But it was directed at 'The English'  - so are we called racist for anything we say now about any nation?  I don't think these people in the cinema were being discriminated against.  They were just being talked about - after the event,

Sorry if i am being dense but I see a difference here even if no-one else does. I often refer to 'Englandshire' does that make me racist too? If so you'd better all call the cops and slap me in jail!