Author Topic: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle  (Read 17929 times)

Rosemary

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Barry, Angus, Scotland
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Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2013, 08:53:43 pm »
Oh, yes - the noise issue. Ever heard a bulling cow? Happyhippy has - I told her she'd definitely know when Molly was bulling. And she did  ;D

Shetlands are pretty light on the ground too and we have sandy soil here, but they still make a mess in winter especially round gates, water troughs and hay racks. That's maybe OK in the first winter, but the worn bits take longer to come away in spring so your acre isn't an acre anymore.

Personally, I'd go for a mix of sheep, some geese and chooks. Some nice primitive sheep with nice fleeces and markings and a few Coloured Ryelands, which look like teddybears and generally like people (and oatcakes).

Oly

  • Joined Feb 2013
  • South Cheshire
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2013, 08:58:50 pm »
Ooo...ideas ideas!!  How long does rose veal take? Point taken re the cumulative poaching issue...

Also, back to sheep...are there any dark/mottled coloured sheep, that can be out all year, are easycare (no shearing, fewer health issues etc) and taste good as mutton?

shygirl

  • Joined May 2013
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2013, 09:08:29 pm »
Ooo...ideas ideas!!  How long does rose veal take? Point taken re the cumulative poaching issue...

im not sure but its been discussed on here before so try searching for it. they may need shelter but a horse field shelter with a gate on the opening may be enough for 2 calves if you have no barn.


Also, back to sheep...are there any dark/mottled coloured sheep, that can be out all year, are easycare (no shearing, fewer health issues etc) and taste good as mutton?

soay are an option. i personally wouldnt call soay a beginners breed as mine used to jump fences.
not all self shedding sheep completely shed, some still need shearing. are you wanting to use the fleece?

Oly

  • Joined Feb 2013
  • South Cheshire
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2013, 09:18:12 pm »
No, no need for the fleece

john and helen

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Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2013, 10:34:47 pm »
just googled the Zwartbles ..wow!!! arn't they beautiful,

i read this thread with interest  :innocent:

Oly

  • Joined Feb 2013
  • South Cheshire
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2013, 11:05:19 pm »
Taken on board comments, had a look at availability etc...still a way to go but think a small flock of Balwens may be the plan.

Many thanks for all the comments, please feel free to keep them coming,
Oly

shygirl

  • Joined May 2013
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2013, 11:21:08 pm »
ahh, balwens are a lovely smallish british ( :thumbsup:) sheep so you could keep more per acre than the bigger chaps. we had a couple and i really wanted more couldnt find any near me at the time.
not as tall as the zwartles but similar-ish markings.
goodluck, planning is half the fun  :excited:

Oly

  • Joined Feb 2013
  • South Cheshire
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2013, 11:29:45 pm »
Now to find flock nearby to visit!

shygirl

  • Joined May 2013
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2013, 12:11:55 am »
where do u stay? i know of a breeder in wales/bristol border.

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
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Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2013, 07:29:24 am »
The other acre or so we're not entirely sure what to do as yet and are considering everything from wildlife habitat, DIY livery, and apple orchard/production to raising a few animals for slaughter. 

Either which way, the property has to help pay for itself and provide a retirement income in about 20+ years!  Plus we don't want to be too tied down (nothing that a house/site sitter couldn't manage) as we do enjoy travelling too...but we appreciate that compromises may have to be made!!

and you want sheep that don't need shearing too.

Well, I am going to be blunt. 

Do not get livestock unless you really love them or really need them.  From what I have read, neither is true in your case.  In the same way as I would advise someone looking for a dog that doesn't need walking and doesn't mind being left on its own to not get a dog, I will advise you to not get livestock. 

Sheep, however 'easy care', need looking after.  Cattle are in some ways easier, but even without my misgivings about your commitment, I had been going to caution about the propensity of cattle to attempt to swallow anything they can get down their throats.  Inexperienced keepers, cattle and a camp/caravan site are a very very bad mix, in my view.

If you are hell-bent on getting cattle, then get a couple of weaned Dexter store bullocks to bring on for your first year.  Do not attempt to rear young calves until you have a bit of experience, and know that you can keep your campers' litter away from the cattle.

It would be a much better solution if you could find some local sheepkeeper who would graze your acre for you and keep an eye on their own sheep.  Perhaps there's a wannabe sheepkeeper nearby who would jump at the chance of an acre to graze...?
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Live in a cohousing community with small farm for our own use.  Dairy cows (rearing their own calves for beef), pigs, sheep for meat and fleece, ducks and hens for eggs, veg and fruit growing

john and helen

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Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2013, 08:07:44 am »
In a way i do agree with you sally, but we all do need to start somewhere, its like me, I have never kept sheep before, yet i want to rear my own meat, i want my sheep to have a great life before they end up on my plate....

after reading this thread , and doing the research from the answers posted, i think we will be looking for balwins , and also kune kune pigs ,,, i am under no illusions that we have a massive learning curve in front of us, and a few mistakes will be made,

the good thing is..these days , we do have some pretty quick back up, via places like this...




fbb

  • Joined Jan 2011
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2013, 08:32:05 am »
Hello,
Sounds to me as if you have access to advice from brother / friends so I would go for half a dozen sheep. I think the handling issues with cattle can cause a problem. I have some ouessants and random wethers which keep grass down etc. Shearer come once a year and costs less than £100 for them and some alpacas. If you create a small pen and give them a bit of hard feed regularly in that, then they are easy to observe/check for feet, fly strike etc and catch for worming.A small shelter is easy to construct and paving slabs give hard standing for bad weather.
I think cameroon sheep are a shedding breed but have no experience of them or their 'escapability'
skills.
Dood luck.
 

Fowgill Farm

  • Joined Feb 2009
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2013, 09:41:47 am »

Well, I am going to be blunt. 

Do not get livestock unless you really love them or really need them.  From what I have read, neither is true in your case.  In the same way as I would advise someone looking for a dog that doesn't need walking and doesn't mind being left on its own to not get a dog, I will advise you to not get livestock. 


I'm sorry i agree with Sally, having read your posts you want animals just so as your campsite will 'look' the part, i feel no real committment to them from you (we go travelling etc.......... ??? ) I would get a neighbour or local to graze a few sheep on your field and take care of them that way you get the aesthetics without the committment.
Sorry.
mandy :pig:

devonlad

  • Joined Nov 2012
  • Nr Crediton in Devon
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2013, 10:05:44 am »
I agree totally with the last couple of posts. My wife and i used to travel (alot) and now we keep livestock. it seems to us that the two are not compatible. having said that, a major reason that our livestock and land takes up so much of our time is because we want it that way. Much like so many on this site, We love this kind of life and although the actual hours spent trimming feet, drenching or tending to newborn lambs is probably not that huge, we spend a massive amount of time just poddling. if a saturday morning arrives and there isnt a clear task for the weekend I create one. Moving a gateway, cutting down thistles, mending a fence etc. etc. its what i love to do. i guess it might be possible to spend less time on my land and still look after the livestock, but having animals can at times be so blessed inconvenient, particularly fitting it all around my day job that,  I dont know that i could do it unless I loved it

Oly

  • Joined Feb 2013
  • South Cheshire
Re: What are easier for first timers; Sheep or Cattle
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2013, 10:23:15 am »
"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all...or rephrase it".  All forums do have some issues and people do have off days.  Call me old fashioned but I do not appreciate having my ethics publically questioned on the basis of a few quick notes I have posted online to find answers to questions.  I admit this may have been misread as being cold, but this is a public forum where I am cautious about divulging private dreams, amitions and feelings regarding the future of our smallholding!

We ARE committed to having livestock, and having had close family who bred pedigree texiles on a local smallholding and two of whom also worked for the Ministry in animal health I am not unaware of the animal management issues.  Likewise a good proportion of my friends have local dairy herds in excess of 350 cows.  As such I have had infrequent hands-on experience of certain elements...helping with calving, lambing, feeding, bottle rearing, milking, shearing, administering drugs, feet work etc...but it is a totally different ball game when your living with them daily, doing the work (rather than just helping) and investigating different breeds on a totally different scale - hence my questions on here. 

The reason for easycare is getting couple of sheep sheared in a prodimately intensive dairy area is very hard unless you do it yourself. My brother adored his Texiles, but I know he hated having to shear them...my thinking was that if it was a job I can reduce/remove via careful breed selection then this would only help with regard to animal welfare.  Likewise, I think it is only a bonus if a breed is less prone to ailments...nobody likes seeing their animals sick, or paying the vets bills...if this is not a good trait to aspire to please state why. 

We are not just after animals to "look" the part, it will no doubt help, but we DO also want animals for the sake fo keeping them, grazing and hopefully (once our experience has grown) for breeding and eating.  We do know of a number of camp sites already that have animals and they get along fine, however thank you for raising that we may need to be extra vigilant regarding litter (although it's only up to 5 caravans, no facilities etc - so generally older couples) and uninvited feeding, extra fencing etc.

Many thanks for all the positive messages, but can people please bear in mind that this is only an internet forum, you don't know my full background nor experience, so please don't feel the need to post in a negative manner.  I welcome criticism, but please do so politely and as if you were talking face to face.  For example; rather than directly questions someones commitment highlight how much commitment is needed.

We're based near Nantwich, Cheshire.  We bought our smallholding in April last year and since then have demolished the derelict barn and house.  This April we started building the house, which is now a shell.  The barn will get rebuilt when funds permit and the fields reseeded once the construction is complete.  Needless to say we have mortgages coming out of our ears, we're living on a tuppence (missing weddings, family gatherings, our little girl only presently has wellies and crocs as shoes are too expensive!) and every spare moment is spent working on the farm.  I hope it gives you an indication of the longer term committment we have to the project...although I shouldn't really feel the need to divulge all that on a forum where all I'm seeking is some friendly advice. 

Apologies if this seems like a rant, but I love about what I have read on this forum is that it is a friendly forum.  Lets try and keep it that way.

It's great to know the price of shearing...is there a price per sheep or a minimum cost?

Thanks,
Oly
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