[rispainfarm]

This is not right is it, yet he sounds adament. The following was taken off a forum.

Feeding catering waste to pigs is still illegal much to the delight of the big commercial operations selling pig feed but feeding your pigs your own kitchen scraps and waste is legal and safe as long as it doesn't contain meat. People have been feeding pigs our waste food for 1000's of years- it's one of the big plusses of raising pigs in that all food waste is productively used to create new food in the form of pork - but as you say, in 2001, after a major foot and mouth outbreak, the feeding of catering waste was scape goated in what I think was an overly knee jerk reaction. Given the concerns, what should have been stipulated was that all catering waste should be treated to ensure its safety (like heating it to 100 oC for 1 hour) before being fed to pigs.

[bloomer]

based on other information i have read on here


anything that has passed through a kitchen is illegal to feed to pigs in any way shape or form...


i am sure someone will be along soon to quote the relevant legislation for you!!!

[Fowgill Farm]

depends where in the world the forum is and where the pig keeper is otherwise if in the UK they need a reminder of the regs as they puts us all at risk
Mandy

[MKay]

The definition is kitchen waste. So sit in the garden and top and tail your veg then its garden waste.

[HappyHippy]

Which forum Linda ? Can you post a link or pm me please ?
Of course it's completely possible that it's someone not UK based, rules and regulations are different worldwide.

Strangely, on looking in the Welfare recommendations it doesn't actually seem to state that it's illegal anymore 
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/69369/pb7950-pig-code-030228.pdf
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0039/00391633.pdf

However, on the AVLA and Defra site it does have this page
http://www.defra.gov.uk/ahvla-en/keeping-animals/illegal-feeding/
Fairly clear I'd say. 

Even if it wasn't illegal, it would be a stupid move (IMHO) to feed kitchen waste.
There's a rise of African swine fever being reported in Russia and it's so easily transmitted across the whole of Europe via Wild Boar, a LOT of this European pork comes to the UK and is cooked in UK kitchens - would you really want to risk causing illness to your pigs and a major disease outbreak in the UK ?
Ignorance is no defence and to do it deliberately? Well, it's just completely irresponsible I think.  Sure, you might save a few pounds on feed bills, but what's the real cost and potential implications ?

[rispainfarm]

Reading what else he says, I get the feeling he is in the uk. I actually told him he was wrong and posted a para out of the animal health regulations on micro pigs, because he is referring specifically to pet pigs.  The reason I looked at the forum and commented was because the article mentioned a friend of mine and then talked to  Tracy ward mentioning giving her pet pigs kitchen waste swill, organic mind you lol
Here is the link
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/aug/17/pigs-a-british-obsession

[HappyHippy]

Oh, you shouldn't have posted that 
How does that song go ?........ 'I predict a riot' isn't it ? 

[rispainfarm]

lol HH, yes I am thinking exactly that you naughty naughty girl.   Did you read my further posts on the subject and pet pigs.

[rispainfarm]

Looking at the guys website, http://www.naturalpigfarming.com/  I still can't make up my mind where this guy is. He mentions english links to pig sites, but I have never heard of this website and it has a bit of an american feel to it. What do you think HH?

[Bionic]

When you click on the link for books in his website the prices all come up in USD so definitely american

[rispainfarm]

Well in that case, what he says about feeding waste food could be right if he is in the US, but I am wondering if he is an american in England, as most of the links he has direct to english sites.

[oaklandspigs]

 ok, OP here with the law
Quoting for England, although similar rules apply for wales, Scotland and NI.
This is to implement EU regs, although Eire still allows kitchen waste- one EU rule, loads of different implementations !
Feeding catering waste comes under the Animal by-products regulations 2005, Part 3 deals with catering waste
11.5
It is an offence for any person to allow livestock to have access to any catering waste or other animal by-product except—
(a)manure;
(b)milk or colostrum;
(c)digestive tract content that has been applied to land provided that livestock are not allowed on to the land for at least three weeks after application; or
(d)compost produced and applied to land in accordance with regulation 16 provided the conditions of that regulation are complied with.
(6) It is an offence for any person to allow any animal to have access to material derived from catering waste or other animal by-product in a biogas or composting plant, except that it is not an offence for wild birds to have access to the material during the secondary or subsequent phase of composting.
(7) In this regulation “livestock” means all farmed animals, and any other ruminant animals, pigs and birds (other than wild birds).
 
Defra's strong interpretation is that "catering" includes domestic premises, Eire takes the view that "catering" means commercial premises.
 
 

[jimmy]

Have to say, I think this is rather like the rule banning us from taking liquids on flights. The actual risk is negligible.
As long as you use common sense - don't feed your pigs on left over sheep spinal columns - then they'll enjoy things like out of date vegetables from your fridge, extra eggs you have etc etc.

If you're sane, then you'll keep the meat in your kitchen separate from other things, so the risk of contamination is negligible, and the risk of there actually being any disease etc even lower.

It's also "illegal" to use your mobile phone in a petrol station, despite there never having been any incident or evidence to suggest it's dangerous.

[rispainfarm]

Re mobile phone in petrol station. Wasn't there an incident many years ago where a car caught fire or blew up becuase the woman was using a mobile. Could be speaking a load of codswallop  :-\but I am sure I remember something like that.

[MAK]

Re: the EU laws.
How amazing is it that all those people in Brussels can write such sloppy rules that allows countries to define catering waste how they choose. My impression is that DEFRA is far more diligent ( spelling help please) than other European agencies.
I bet that the average pig farmer in Romania Poland etc have any idea what the rules are.