[HappyHippy]

Mexico City would be a good example of a lawless society, people are murdered and raped on the street on a daily basis and nothing gets done - police are too busy looking after the big business folk, and moving money, crime is ignored.

I'm afraid it's coming to this in Scotland   There was a case a few weeks ago of a girl raped in broad daylight in an attack that went on for hours (think it was Edinburgh) and no-one helped. Murders, gun crime, human trafficing, it's all going on right under our noses.
IMO the only way to stop this is to provide a REAL detterent. Why not make prisons horrible places again ? Take away the sky tv, pool tables and university degrees and give inmates a reason NOT to want to go back - THEY ARE CRIMINALS ! They've been proven guilty and should have punishment, not a better life than some of the law abiding population. I remember a case, not that long ago where prisoners were suing a jail for infringing on their human rights by getting them off drugs - the prison settled out of court!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where's the sense in that  
As for rapists and child abusers, I could say A LOT on the subject, but will limit myself to this - NO SECOND CHANCE ! Chemical castration should be manditory, it's a sickness and as such, should be treated.
Bringing back the death sentance, although contraversal, would certainly reduce the overcrowding in jails and reduce the amount of public money which is taken away from schools, hospitals, police, army etc.
Why should the innocent suffer while the guilty live the high life (at OUR expense)

[Fluffywelshsheep]

Okay being devil adovcate here,

IF you make prison horrible / people suffer for their crime they have comitted then they have a case for Human rights agaist you.


btw i think all serious crimes people should be put on an uninhabited island netured /castraded and left to sort them self out the way they want to and not effect 'normal people' but that then comes down to the fine line who is right in the crimes or did it didn't do it etc so my plan is good in theory but no good in the real world.

Linz


the death penalty is only as good as the witness and confictions agaist the person !


A good social experiment would be to create a crime convict the 'do-er' of the crime and put them to the death penalty only to find in the future that new evidence came to light showing that the 'do-er' was innocent a year later of the death penalty see how the jury reacts to the new light that the person didn't need to dye.

I like the principle of social experiments but it is highly contraversal  to implement in the real world.

(on a different note i watch a program where people had to get the subject to answere simple questions until they got one wrong and then would send an electric pluse to them, but each time the electric pluse current was increase if the answer was wrong, what they didn't now was the person was accually a recording and not real, but only 1 out of about 10 people stop the experiment as they wheren't happy with the sound of the subject voice. the other 9 went on to 'kill' the person as they increase the voltage to the highest it could go, as they carried the blaim on to the official scientist in charge of the experiment)

[sandy]

Siberian Salt Mines There as many reasons why people commit crime, some possibley genetic, some due to conditioning and some buy chance. All those who have children, brothers sisters aunts uncles etc, given the same gene pool, the same/similar upbringing, some willcommit crimes while the rest of thier family would never even think of crime as a way of life.

I can think of at least one women, homeless, her children taken away and on illicit drugs, she was froma very weathy background, a dancer and an artist, married to a man who beat her but was an upright hardworking man to others, took to drugs to cope with her fake life, skull fractured so left the family home with her children, got in wih a charmer and good looking drug dealer who never paid the rent, took all her money, kept her topped up with drugs, made her pregnant and got her evicted, got the children put into care as he was suspected of grooming them into prostitution, then living in a van and baby eventualy being taken for adoption. THe children went back to thier father who had an arranged marrage with some women from abroad but in fact would be unapid labour and, ended up dealing to get money to treat her children who visited her in a homeless unit and becomming daily more and more vulnerale due to an eating disorder. She gave me a very small drawing she had done, not much left from her once affluent life, she smiled and said to me (no offence intended here!) my baby comes t visit in a football strip, I would have never put him in that, my parents are teminaly ill so i will inherit there big house and he would have had a middle class upbringing rather than on the rough inner city estate he is on now" A lesson to be learned but too late!

[doganjo]

Chain gangs to fix all these holes in the roads.

[jameslindsay]

Hard labour should definately be considered. Prisons are far too soft these days. They are supposed to be "secure units" but yet they have bigger drug problems than some city's - why?? Some one aint doing their jobs?

[oink]

I think I've somehow ended up on the forum for the daily mail?!!

[Fluffywelshsheep]

lol

[Rosemary]

Fear and helplessness - a scary combination.

I think prison isn't the deterrant it should be but on the other hand, shoudl we not also be trying to rehabilitate people who end up in jail. Unless we plan for them never to be released?

There are a lot of folk in jail who are just sad - mentally ill, drug addicts, mentally handicapped. Society had failed them. I do think some "tough love" is the answer though and the "human rights" stuff has gone too far. If you want rights, you have to take responsibility and too many don't.

But woudl you want to be the hangman?

[Hilarysmum]

Prison:  shut in 24/7.  Shut in with people who I may not particularly get on with.  Forced to use a bucket at night.  No privacy.  Sometimes locked in that small space for long periods.  Not able to walk outside.  Bars, locks, doors.  No freedom.  Dont care if its styled like the Ritz, if freedom is removed, doors are locked, no privacy.   Removing freedom to come and go, kept away from loved ones surely that in itself is the worst of all punishments.

[jameslindsay]

They are not meant to be a holiday camp! What about the people some of these people have injured or killed that don't have access to movement - however restrictive.What about the famiilies that can only visit a grave and not a prison. Prison is not the answer for every one but these cold hearted murderers and child abusers should loose every privelage known to man. I do not agree with the death sentence but I do think that prisons are a breeding ground for further offending.

[Hilarysmum]

Cant argue with your point of view.  However still feel that if they are removed from society further punishment is not particularly positive.

[Rosemary]

Surely the punishment should fit the crime? If you take a life, should you not give up your own - I mean lifetime incarceration not the death penalty. Although I'm sure if someone dear to me was murdered I would want the murderer kileed, but that's revenge not justice.

Jeez, the rain's just come on and it's tipping it. It was sunny five minutes ago when I was outside. A great Scottish summer!

[sheila]

Prison:  shut in 24/7.  Shut in with people who I may not particularly get on with.  Forced to use a bucket at night.  No privacy.  Sometimes locked in that small space for long periods.  Not able to walk outside.  Bars, locks, doors.  No freedom.  Dont care if its styled like the Ritz, if freedom is removed, doors are locked, no privacy.   Removing freedom to come and go, kept away from loved ones surely that in itself is the worst of all punishments.

And still the offenders come back for more! So does it work?

[Hilarysmum]

Probably not - then again how many times as a child were you punished for something, only to do it again as soon as the chance came.  I certainly did as a teenager, despite a very victorian father.

[Tullywood Farm]

To Hilarys Mum

You brave woman you 

All my Victorian Dad had to say to me was "Hey You" and I would be in floods of tears. 

When I was 18 all my friends went to the Disco until 2am -
I had to be on the 10.30 bus home or grounded for a month

The Disco started at 10 - 
I guess thats why I am so good at Ice skating and not so great at dancing

Julie