Author Topic: Living in Hong Kong with time on my hands  (Read 3831 times)

aPlaceforUS

  • Joined Jun 2013
Living in Hong Kong with time on my hands
« on: June 06, 2013, 06:55:00 am »
We are a couple with 2 young sons, we are planning to get back to the UK, having been in HK for almost 3 years and want out of the norm.  We want to spend time with our children, working outside and most importantly being self sufficient.    We should be back within the next 18 months and would like to buy a home and a smallholding.  I want to start doing some research and given our location we cannot obviously get out to visit places.  Where do we start? What sort of information should we be reading/researching, is there land for sale that has already adopted a permaculture environment.  Any information to get us on the right path would be great.  We are very excited, what we do not have in experience (basically nil!) we make up for in enthusiasm.  Look forward to hearing from anyone with helpful insight and information.

Let the journey begin....

Lesley Silvester

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Telford
Re: Living in Hong Kong with time on my hands
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2013, 09:00:58 pm »
That sounds exciting. What you need to consider is how much can you afford to buy, allowing for set up costs as well. This will dicatate where in the country you will be able to live. For instance, properties in Wales or the Highlands of Scotland will be much cheaper than the south east of England.

Will one/both of you have outside jobs? It's very, very difficult to live totally off the land unless you are doing it on a very big scale especially if you have a mortgage.

I would read through as much of the posts on this site as you can to get some ideas. The Complete Guide to Self-Sufficiency by John Seymour is very helpful as well as a good read.

Looking forward to hearing more about your adventure. It will be a great start for your children.

HesterF

  • Joined Jul 2012
  • Kent
  • HesterF
Re: Living in Hong Kong with time on my hands
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2013, 02:27:27 pm »
I'd also recommend the Smallholding Manual from Haynes which I found really helpful as a great overview of where to start (and the author is active on this site too). Like Mad Goatwoman says, you need to think first and foremost about funding. We're in the South East because my husband works in London. It does cost a lot of money to buy a place with land here and you mustn't underestimate set-up costs - fencing, housing etc. Best thing to do is work out what you're going to do for your main form of income, find that job and then find a suitable house/land in that vicinity.

I've been keeping a quite careful record of my poultry since we got them last autumn and even if you just look at the variable costs - food, bedding, routine health care, it's cost us £1.50 per egg (and you pay that for half a dozen organic freerange eggs in the supermarket). Taking into account total costs such as housing and run, we're still running at over £10 an egg although that will reduce in time because we're now set up for bigger numbers than we have at the moment. In my case, I hope to get some money back from breeding or selling fertile eggs in the future - there's more money in that direction although I'm sure it'll still be pushed to cover costs.

I would also say that with two young children, don't underestimate the time required to manage everything. My husband works long, long hours so he's only really around at weekends (and not always then) and we have eight acres of land. So the vast majority of the work is done by me and I'm losing to weeds in many places at the moment. I have three children aged 7, 5, and 3 and the youngest is at home most of the time. She is old enough that I can leave her in the house while I go outside but she's not that keen on being out in all weathers. So while our halcyon dreams were of our children growing up building dens and climbing trees, that's not necessarily what they want to do (although it does happen sometimes). Every chore doesn't take up too much time but at the moment I have 12 ducklings in the kitchen which need cleaning out once or sometimes twice a day, a hen with three chicks in a run on her own, two more broodies sitting on eggs in their own runs, a further two hens (one of whom has been to the vets this week and required twice daily meds) and a cockerel in the main run along with an older duckling, four adult ducks and two geese. So just to feed each pen and clean out their water etc. takes a while not including the cleaning out of their houses.

Then on the fruit and veg side, this is the time of year for seeding, planting out and watering every day which also takes ages - especially when the hose doesn't reach. I've also got formal gardens where I'm trying to build up the flower beds with herbaceous borders so I've been growing lots of flowers from seed which all need potting on and watering. And most of our acreage is mown grassland which we mow every week and probably takes about 10 hours to mow the lot (with a compact tractor).

We've not even got any big livestock although we're thinking of a couple of weaners next year to turn into sausages later but I'm still busy full time and my children are not happy that I don't play games with them and have been heard to wish we weren't 'farmers' any more! Clearly now is a busy time of year but even in the winter I was planting fruit trees and doing various maintenance.

It really helps if you're handy - for lots of things I have to call somebody in (so far fencing, tree surgeons, hedgecutting and the odd DIY job). I did go on a fruit tree pruning course because I reckoned that was a good investment and we're getting bees so I've been on a course for those too. The sheep course put me off sheep so that's saved us some money on fencing (and now we're getting vines instead).

This is not meant to put you off because it's still very satisfying and I do always leap in with two feet so I probably always take on more than I should (I keep saying next year will be calmer because we've got lots of basics in place now but realistically we're starting building work on a holiday cottage plus some other improvements to our house, thinking about pigs, wanting a bigger poultry run, needing to convert a disused Nissen hut to a growing tunnel/internal poultry space - so the ducklings don't need to be in the kitchen next year etc.etc.). But you do have to be realistic about how much you can afford to do and how much you have time to do.

Good luck with the plans!

Hester

aPlaceforUS

  • Joined Jun 2013
Re: Living in Hong Kong with time on my hands
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2013, 02:07:06 am »
Hester

thanks for you great reply, so much really useful info.  Lots and lots to think about.  I think one of the hard things is balancing the work with a family.  We too would have to accommodate the fact that my hubby would most likely have to commute to London for work.  The catch with the kiddies is I guess you want them to grow up in that environment but its hard in reality, especially on days when the weather is against you for them to be terribly enthused.

Thanks for giving me a realistic idea of how much work is involved.  I guess not much prepares anyone for that. 

Great effort and i appreciate you taking the time out to give me such alot of advice.

CJ

Mammyshaz

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • Durham
Re: Living in Hong Kong with time on my hands
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2013, 06:35:42 am »
Hello and welcome  :wave:   starting on websites such as this one is a great start. Not a lot else to advise as I think Hester has covered just about everything.

You do have an advantage in that you have plenty of time to do your research and are coming to UK with a fresh start so can choose your location. Good luck with your plans and I look forward to hearing aboutmyour progress and children's opinions on their change of life. My boys are desperate for a new home with land so we can start a smallholding.



wonderwooly

  • Joined May 2013
Re: Living in Hong Kong with time on my hands
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2013, 08:04:31 pm »
there all good responces, I would also interject and say you don't always have buy at the start, we rented a place to see if our business could survive first, and had land, animals etc.. on site. learnt a lot and then decided we really needed a lot more land and wood to be even vaguely self sufficient without damaging our environment. also learnt a bit about what we actually like doing and what we thought we might like but didn't work out. I second the job first thing, londons allways a winer.
the land is everything and to read it you need to have done a bit of work first, maybe you could try wooffing holidays with the kids first in a good area, we did that and it really helped to see what and how, and why other people got started on there own projects.
lots of good luck     

Shropshirelass

  • Joined Jul 2012
  • South Shropshire
  • A country lass who loves it all!
Re: Living in Hong Kong with time on my hands
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2013, 01:33:31 am »
Some of the hardest things I think in farming are having to kill your animals / send them for slaughter or loose them to predators there is nothing more disheartening than loosing a 8 week old lamb  or a shed full of hens to a fox or other predators & then you normally can't find the thing that killed them! You always think this won't happen to you but you inevitably loose a few to sickness, problems giving birth & predators ect.

As for slaughter people go & say I might just keep our young boar pig a bit longer ect or wethers (Castrated ram lambs) turn into pet wethers & you end up with an extra mouth to feed or more as the boar or tup lamb you were going to eat got in with the females & you end up with more & more babies - its hard to do but you've got to be realistic if you want to eat & sell your own meat & most small local abattoirs will give you advice on the whole process.

Also you've got to be able to work out how to make a profit or at least break even - put into cost factors, time, fuel, products spent like feeds, fertilizer, vets bills, slaughtering fees, hire of stud males if you don't have any ect & with livestock do your reasearch on breeds - do you want pet hens like polish & pekins or layers like warrens & other hybrids or meat birds like orpingtons. Also if you want eggs but no chicks & excess cockerals - don't buy a cockeral as within 6 months you'll have 10! & commercial breeds fatten up a lot quicker than rare breeds but rare breeds in my opinion taste better.

If you want things like goats you'll need pens with fencing not hedging, cattle you'll defo have to get taught on handling these huge beasts & can you handle the TB testing restrictions, pigs you have to register as a pig farm, alpacas make good guard animals & you'll also need a trailer licence & learn how to tow x

Ina

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Aberdeenshire
Re: Living in Hong Kong with time on my hands
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2013, 07:26:36 am »
I'd echo wonderwooly's suggestion of wooffing - and there's also the possibility of doing a permaculture course first, if you want to go down that route, to give you a better idea of what's involved.

Oh, and welcome!  :) That'll be quite a change from Hong Kong to smallholding!

goosepimple

  • Joined May 2010
  • nr Lauder, Scottish Borders
Re: Living in Hong Kong with time on my hands
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 09:32:59 am »
Hi APlaceforUS, there was a thread on about 5-6 months ago on here, someone was asking about what sort of things they should be asking when purchasing a place - LachlanandMarcus I remember did a very comprehensive reply, remember thinking I should take a copy of it because it was so useful.  Sorry I don't have time just at the mo to look it up (taking kids to tennis lessons in 5 mins) but I'm sure you could find it with a bit of trawling, or contact him/her direct in a personal message, was very useful.  Good luck.
registered soay, castlemilk moorit  and north ronaldsay sheep, pygmy goats, steinbacher geese, muscovy ducks, various hens, lots of visiting mallards, a naughty border collie, a puss and a couple of guinea pigs

 

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