[FiB]

Appologies if this is allready here but I picked up a paper copy of this at the vets yestarerday and found it REALLY helpful..... http://www.scops.org.uk/content/Know-Your-Anthelmintics-2012.pdf.  Still dont know what I'm going to do though!  Lamnbs all fine - but advised to do with Albex, Sheeps all scouring like billy- but FEC (£10) from particulalry sloppy one came back negative so advised not to worm.  (Didnt do Fluke test as it was £30 plus VAT)       And sheep are all scratching like bugggery again so will have to take skin scrape down or guess and apply spot on (is that OK pre shearing?  The vets answer to that was that the shearers wouldnt even know!!!!!!!!!!  He seemed staggered that I was thinking about the shearer.)  Sally in the North - I asked about Closamectin injection but he was clueless (and clearly not willing to google) and its £60 a go - the leaflet says it does 2 types of lice on teh cattle info, but none on the sheep leaflet - Ive emailed the company but no reply!!!

[Dans]

You might find this useful

http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/Compendium-datasheets_by_species/Species/-22379.html

I've linked to the sheep page but you can also search by other animals on the left. Click the drug name then keep clicking next for further information about it. Not the best laid out website but might answer some of your questions rather than waiting for drug company to get back to you. NOAH doesn't have all the drugs if I remember correctly but for the life of me I can't remember the name of the other website.

You can also search by what you are trying to treat for (theraputic indication). Incase you don't know Ectoparasites are those outside the animal (fleas, ticks, lice etc) and endoparasities are those inside (worms [gut, tape and fluke] and  things like cocci and toxoplasma).

Hope that helps!

Dans

[Dans]

Found it!

http://www.vmd.defra.gov.uk/ProductInformationDatabase/Default.aspx

Even harder to find the drug you're after (I've never been able to work the search feature so just scroll through but you need to know how to spell the drug) but it does have all of them as far as I know.

Dans

[shep53]

FIB slightly confused   , coopers spot on kills lice and is absorbed into the skin so perfectly safe for the shearer . Closamectin injection  doesn't  do lice but does scab with two injections  , worms and fluke

[fifixx]

And another leaflet - quite helpful about mites, scab and lice.  I'm going on a day course organised by the vets for £50 next week about internal and external parasites - should be really helpful http://livestocknw.co.uk/factsheets/sheep_scab_or_lice_can_you_afford_to_guess_lnw_factsheet

[FiB]

FIB slightly confused   , coopers spot on kills lice and is absorbed into the skin so perfectly safe for the shearer . Closamectin injection  doesn't  do lice but does scab with two injections  , worms and fluke

Brill - so no harmfull residue (even if you get some onto wool by mistake   parting some of my denser one's wool completely to get a good line is not always easY!)?  I must have been mistaken - I thought in a previous thread Sally had said that Closamectin does worms and both lice (which it does for cows) - thought it was too good to be true.  Why would it have that effect in cows and not in sheep?  Or is it that it will but it's not licenced for such use?  IN any case getting them all in for a good rumage and skin scrape this weekend.

[SteveHants]

Closamectin contains Cloasntel and Ivermectin. It does the same as both - ie it kills mature fluke, worms and is the first of two ivermectin injections you would need to cure scab.


I find it a useful thing to have around for compromised sheep to make sure they have minimal parasites, but I wouldn't routineley dose my flock with it.

[shep53]

Maybe not licensed ? but totally different lice  species specific 

[sh3ph3rd]

is absorbed into the skin so perfectly safe for the shearer

Brill - so no harmfull residue

But how is it for the sheep? If it's so harmful to us, I'd be suspicious about its lifetime in the meat and the residue passed on via consuming the flesh. It doesn't just vanish into nothing once it's absorbed into the skin, and what is classified as a nontoxic level/safe for consumption is often wrong.

There's many new modern diseases, disorders and deformities cropping up frequently, and we can't say for sure what's not doing it if we don't know what is doing it. Just my two cents on it. 

[FiB]

I dont thnik Spot on can be harmefull to the sheep - only the lice on the sheep .  One thing I know for sure - if there were a different way of ridding them of lice - Id do it... but I cant watch them scrtching and shedding and do nothing.  Even in the organic system you can use crovect (which is hideous in so many respects) to treat fly strike - the sheeps welfare has to come first.  How do organic peeps deal with lice? scab?

[sh3ph3rd]

Even in the organic system you can use crovect (which is hideous in so many respects) to treat fly strike - the sheeps welfare has to come first.  How do organic peeps deal with lice? scab?

I don't know because like you said, in the organic system they allow some quite harmful things... I favor natural methods, and am very much a learner in that area, but in general the way to treat lice as well as all other internal and external parasites seems to be best done through diet, and sometimes topical application of stuff such as garlic, wormwood, etc.

My merino ewe got to be as big as a table despite being a bottle-fed orphan, and she ate an entire wormwood bush that was bigger than she was. In the course of a week or so she killed it, eating well and truly beyond the supposedly lethal amount. She was never mulesed, crutched, treated with anything for worms or lice, but never had any problems with any parasites whatsoever, and never even got a dirty fleece. You could spot her from miles away, gleaming and enormous compared to the herd.

With my poultry, I just use raw garlic, never treat them for worms beyond occasional 'boosts' of chili, never treat the coop nor birds for mites or lice, because while the bird's bodies are infused with garlic, the internal and external parasites can never take hold, and neither can most viruses and diseases. Feeding raw garlic as part of their staple diet has made me lazy, I must say, lol.

[sueblacker]

PLEASE DON'T use an anti fly-strike treatment before shearing if you want to look after the environment and if you want the fleece processed by The Natural Fibre Company  - also the Wool Board does not like it. 
Your vet is right that, unless you shear the following day, it will be difficult to detect but this does not mean it's not there - many of the treatments contain a dye anyway, so will show along the back if you use a pour-on. 
We have scoured greasy fleeces, then washed processed yarns and can still find traces of pesticide sometimes and our customers all sign a form to say they have not been used.  The sheep ingest these chemicals and they last!  They are poisonous to fish and algae if permethrins, and to people and animals if old-style organo phosphates.  There are ways you can avoid using these until shearing .... 

[fifixx]

I went on a really good course organised by the vet yesterday - Sheep, internal and external parasites.

Worming:  all info here http://www.eblex.org.uk/documents/content/returns/brp_l_sheepsbrp_manual_8_-_target_worm_control_for_better_re.pdf  and very important to fecal count AFTER dosing (usually 2 weeks).  My goats had panacur (group 1) and after fecal testing after dosing, we now know , like 95% of UK animals, are resistant.  So they have had a dose of a Group 4 wormer now.

Very interesting about Quarantining bought-in animals:  3 weeks is the recommended time as the sheep scab mite can live off host for that time and is on the increase.