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rustyme

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Ebola !!!!
« on: July 09, 2009, 09:38:07 pm »
a few days ago I mentioned in one of the swine flu posts , that ebola would be the next thing to keep an eye on ...well.....
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090709/thl-uk-virus-pigs-q-a-sb-b2e59e8.html

For anybody that the link doesn't work for :
  Q+A-Why is the spread of Ebola in the Philippines a concern?
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  Scientists are worried about the Ebola-Reston -- a type of Ebola virus -- spreading in pigs in the Philippines and have warned that it could mutate in the swine population and become more dangerous for people. Skip related content
Here are some questions and answers about the virus.

WHAT IS THE EBOLA-RESTON VIRUS?

- There are five distinct species of the Ebola virus: Zaire, Sudan, Cote d'Ivoire, Bundibugyo and Reston. The Zaire, Sudan and Bundibugyo species have been associated with large Ebola haemorrhagic fever (EHF) outbreaks in Africa with high mortality rates of between 25 percent and 90 percent while Cote d'Ivoire and Reston have not.

HOW IS EBOLA-RESTON DIFFERENT FROM THE EBOLA VIRUS THAT WAS

RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY DEATHS IN AFRICA?

- The Reston species can infect humans but no serious illness or deaths in humans have been reported to date.

During outbreaks of the Reston strain in monkeys in the 1990s, around 25 people were found to have antibodies against Ebola-Reston. This means they had been infected by the virus and their body had produced an immune response. However, only one person had mild, flu-like symptoms. This person fully recovered. The other people who tested positive for antibodies did not have any symptoms or illness.

WHAT'S THE WORRY NOW?

- Early this year, the Ebola-Reston was detected in pigs in the Philippines. Pigs are worrisome because they are mixing vessels for many types of viruses and bacteria and if left uncontrolled, experts fear the Ebola-Reston could mutate into a form that is transmissible among people and become more dangerous to them.

HOW ARE PEOPLE AT RISK?

- Unlike monkeys, pigs are farmed for food and far more people are exposed to them, which puts them at risk of getting infected if the epidemic in pigs is not under control.

WHAT PRECAUTIONS CAN BE TAKEN?

- Basic good hygiene practices and food handling measures. Ebola viruses are normally transmitted via contact with the blood or other bodily fluids of an infected animal or person. In all situations, even in the absence of identified risks, meat handling and preparation should be done in a clean environment and meat handlers should follow good personal hygiene practices such as clean hands and clean protective clothing. In general, hands should be regularly washed while handling raw meat.

Pork from healthy pigs is safe to eat as long as the fresh meat is cooked properly -- 70 degrees Celsius in all parts of the food, so that there is no pink meat and the juices run clear. In the case of uncooked processed pork, national safety standards should be met during production, processing and distribution.

Meat from sick pigs or pigs found dead should not be eaten and should not enter the food chain or be given to other animals.

(Sources: Food and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations, the World Health Organisation)

(Reporting by Tan Ee Lyn; Editing by Sugita Katyal)

Tullywood Farm

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2009, 09:44:22 pm »
Well all those warnings about Pork are just normal HACCP Health Board Regulations - we had to go on a course to learn all of that before we opened the Butchery - and anyone with common sense, or a nurse, would know that anyhow.

Do you think it is just scaremongering?

I once had a friend who was a phsycic and he told me a lot of things about the future, Cork, New York and Dublin being under water - people rioting over food, and all sorts of negative scary stuff.
He also believed that when the banks crashed (and he told me this is 1994) - that the Government would have to reduce their spending as money would be hard to come by.  An Epidemic to wipe out mailny people on low incomes could halve their welfare payments :o  Scary or what - I thought he was off his head but I wonder!!!

Julie

sausagesandcash

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2009, 11:06:41 pm »
I spoke to the doctor about swine flu, and his reply was that there were far more worrying things out there at the moment that we're just not hearing about. Still given the huge world population at the moment, it's logical that nature would start a cull to cut back numbers. Things always have a way of balancing themselves out, and it looks like billions will have to loose their lives for equilibrium to be restored. I remember in one of the matrix movies that the human race was compared to a virus.

Just found the clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Na9-jV_OJI&feature=related

Interesting idea!?

rustyme

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2009, 12:24:13 am »
yes wait till the new world order takes over ...it will reduce the world population down to 2 billion ... :o ::) ::) ;D

the stuff you read  about pork infecting, is scarmongering , but Ebola isn't ...that is scary !!.      Luckily ? Ebola Reston, is mild compared to the other versions of Ebola , just hope that it doesn't start to spread like swine flu has ...
 

The end is nigh !!!!

cheers

Russ

Tullywood Farm

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2009, 01:23:40 am »
Hi,
Swine flu what's that - OH you mean H1N1.
But I totally agree this is something to keep an eye on and get ready to stay at home.
Kind regards
Joe

sausagesandcash

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2009, 01:45:52 am »
In 1918 it was Spanish Flu....in 2009 ya don't hear antone saying mexican Flu, wouldn't be P.C The poor pigs get the rough end of the stick!

Tullywood Farm

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2009, 01:58:13 am »
Hi Morgan,
Whatever happend to free speach?.  ;)
Only joking I totally agree with you it PI**ES me of that the poor pigs get the blame when they can not get or give this H1N1 virus.
Do you ever go to bed ?.
Kindest regards
Joe

sheila

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2009, 09:03:02 am »
 It looks like all the food hoarding is going to come in handy.

sausagesandcash

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 10:22:42 am »
I am starting to agree with our youngest - sleep is for the weak! Lol.

Now time for hoarding....buy a few crates of UHT milk, bags and bags of porridge, bags of flour. Get a few chickens. Stock that freezer to the hilt. Build that solar powered water pump. Get lots of petrol for the chain saw. Get loads of Cadburys chocolate. Get planty of pasta and tinned food. Try to convince the wife again that i'm not loosing the plot  ;D

sausagesandcash

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2009, 10:26:28 am »
Oh, and break the news to the kids that daddy is going back to teaching....at home. The horror, the horror!

smiffy

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2009, 10:27:49 am »
i was considering the issue of food hoarding... we have 6 (2 adults 4 kids) in our family..... that is a huge amount of food to hoard, even basic staple foods..... then you have imediate family, could you watch your parents, brothers sisters starve to death?

However that isnt really an issue i could possible manage that, but animal feed would be impossible, even to get a month ahead would be a struggle, with regards to storage, we currently go through 1 tonne of feed per 3 weeks.

mind i suppose if the economy broke down, the local yokles would kill all my livestock before i had chance to stop them???

Tullywood Farm

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2009, 11:02:02 am »
Hi Smiffy,

That is exactly the problem,
It's not storing enough food for you and your familly we have a 20 foot steel container we can use for that.
But when it comes to the animals that is a different story.
The likes of the hens, goat, sheep etc will be fine as they can eat leftovers and grass.
Pigs on the other hand are a lot harder to to stock pile for I as you do go through pig feed like there is no tommorrow 20 bags last's about 3 days around here.
Even though I get all the waste veg from our local organic veg grower and our garden!.
All you can do at a time of serious crisis is cut down to 1 sow and 1 Boar then at least we would be able to keep our pork supply coming.
I know that this might sound hard but the survival of you and your family is the most inportant thing and you would have at least some chance of growing extra to feed a few pigs.
Try also to get dried peas and barley seed when I move my pigs to new pasture I throw this on the fields as well as grass seed and six month's later it gives the pigs extra feeding as well as something different to dig up.
Now as for the locals that try to steal you food and kill your animal's,Remember it is after all a time of survival I have 2 shotguns and 1 rifle and after all the pigs have to eat too!!!.  ;)
Kind regards
Joe

smiffy

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2009, 11:16:28 am »
Hi Joe

I gave this some serious thought last week


we could cut down to;
2 sows, 1 boar - enough pork etc
2 cows 1 bull - enough milk, cheese cream beef
6 sheep 1 tup - lamb wool even sheep milk at a push
12 hens 1 cock eggs chicken

that would be enough to feed a small army, which i would need to gaurd them!!

in the case of a full blown ecconomic disaster.... i dont think a shotgun would be enough!

we are not issolated enough and our stock would be picked off, frightening really. I would have no issue culling the majority of stock to survive.

not too many years ago in the last ecconomic crissis round here (miners strike) lots of livestock was culled by people, allotments robbed, stair cases burned.... all so familys could survive. these are the stories of the miners strike that people dont know. when someones family is hungry they will go to extremes to feed them. I have heard of sheep, and cattle being culled and only the parts they could carry being taken. farmers devistated to find dead cattle with its hind leg gone, the rest of the carcass wasted.


I have also heard the other side..............

Tullywood Farm

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2009, 11:50:44 am »
Hi

I agree with every thing you have said.
The beauty with where we live is we are up the side of a mountain and all our land is surrounded by a river on both sides with only one entrance which not only I will be watching but my cctv and my Rottweiler.
When we bought our farm we took a  lot into consideration.
1. Had to be south facing and well sheltered.
2. We are 220 mtrs above sea level.
3. It had to have its own water supply.
4. Water down at least 1 side to give us the chance of making our own Electrick.(We have it down both).
5. Totally secure or at least as secure as possible.
6. Enough space to grow all our own food.
7. We are also lucky enough to be able to put up a wind mill as I can put it at the top of my field and no one would be able to see it.
8. We only burn wood for heat and made sure that we could cook on it as well.
9. We only have 1 neighbour so within 1 mile so I can trap rabbits etc for extra food.
10.We are 2 miles from the nearest village so lots more farms in between and belive me they will be a lot easier targets because as we are getting ready for this the locals think we are Mad and don't give a f**k.
11. We have 240 hectares of forest right at the side of us for free fire wood and as I have said this is all we burn, 99% of people around us only burn oil for their heating.
These are just a few points we took into consideration.
Also remember as I pointed out earlyer it will be a time of crisis and I am 100% I will do anything I have too to ensure the survival of me and mine also as I have allready said the pigs finish what the dogs don't do!!!.  ;)

smiffy

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Re: Ebola !!!!
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2009, 12:09:30 pm »
Hi Joe
i'm coming to live with you ;D ;D

on a serious note, i was suprised to find that a few people on this forum are thinking the same......

many people dont even consider the consequences of an ecconomic fall. They couldnt imagine tescos and asda empty.

If this did happen the wold would be a very scary place. I have an akita rotwieller cross, i bought him last year as my rotty /german sheperd cross is on his last legs at 15 I also have a terrier who rats and rabbits. people have asked my why we have such large dogs...i ask do you want to come in the garden when were out.... NO is always the answer! thats why. the dogs are socialised, good with kids, but loud and big!!!

the majority of people think swine flu is just a cold, and dont see a threat.
I just hope that if anything does happen, i am either taken out in the 1st wave or i can hold on to what i have.




 

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